Improving TXP Image Management

neutrino · 2006-03-04 22:59:13

ma_smith wrote:

Neutrino, how does one get a poll going?

I (think) there is a module to punBB but it might not be compatable with the new upgrade. If that wouldn’t work there are various PHP scripts out there that can be set up to do polls. I thought polls would be good here as there are loads of questions that come up that need a quick response. Easy way for anyone running/facilitating/moderating/developing to say: “Hey, we went with the majority”.

There’s also a TXP plugin that could be added to someone’s site — I think Mary did that once.

Edit: Here’s the mod. It “looks like” it might still be good. —Search the forum for the short post — enter “polls”.— Nevermind here is the post, as of 3/1 it is being recommended.

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squaredeye · 2006-03-05 03:00:34

Nuetrino,
I wonder if this kind of thing is available on the WIKI end of things? It might be good to get some feedback there, where all the information is stored?
Hmm. I’ll think on this one.

For others, viewing the post. I am quite interested in your feedback on image handling. It seems this matters to a great many people, but we can’t come up with a system on our own.

:) Matthew

squaredeye · 2006-03-05 04:14:07

Also, please note I have added wordpress’ method of uploading/posting images to an article at the WIKI.

squaredeye · 2006-03-06 04:54:10

Okay, I must like my own picture too much. Or I like Pink Floyd lyrics to much “is anybody ~~out~~ in there?”

Okay, so I’ve started a set of polls, and I need your help getting them out there. If I should move them or announce them in a different space, please make a suggestion. For now, I hope to achieve some understanding of where this communities image needs are. Hakjoon, this is still your baby, I hope this is a good direction to take this? Never heard back from you. :)

You can see the polls here
Unless you figure out a way to hack this poll and you happen to be absolutely cuckoo about needing change for the txp image handling you will only be able to vote once, so make it count.

There are four polls. Should be clear. Let me know if I have confounded and confused like only satan can, or if I have made things less than befuddling.

I think more poll questions can be asked, but I can’t think of any right now. Any Ideas?

Matthew

edit I fixed the “how many images question, in case anyone wanted to vote on that.

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justanother · 2006-03-06 23:12:10

hello,

first of all, i have to say that i’m really impressed by what’s going on here lately… but now to the image management: what about an integration of an existing gallery system like gallery2 or 4images?
imho the screenshot of the interface bastion posted is really great for articles, but the image handling of txp isn’t designed for a ‘real’ gallery with hundreds of hundreds of photos, is it?
i thought i just post in this image management thread, and i’m curious what you guys think about an embbed gallery system?

thomas

hcgtv · 2006-03-06 23:54:26

justanother,

I like the idea of an embedded image gallery, this way we can handle 1000’s of images.

My idea is to find one that is along the same lines as TXP, light footprint but has enough functionality to get the job done. Gallery2 is very nice but is huge, 4images’ license would be a hindrance to share the code since it’s not GPL.

Presently, I’m testing singapore, PhotoStack, Plogger and Zenphoto.

hakjoon · 2006-03-06 23:56:19

ma_smith wrote:
For now, I hope to achieve some understanding of where this communities image needs are. Hakjoon, this is still your baby, I hope this is a good direction to take this? Never heard back from you. :)

sorry about that. Been computerless for the past few days.

Polls seem like a decent enough place to start although form looking at the results it seems to re-enforce mostly what we already thought when we started this whole conversation.

hcgtv wrote:
I like the idea of an embedded image gallery, this way we can handle 1000’s of images.

The one issue I have with integrating a photo gallery package is that it solves image galleries but not necessarilly Using images in articles. Plus it’s separate user permissions/groups, templating language, databases. It just seems like so much of what we would get with a gallery package is already in place if it’s just fleshed out.

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hcgtv · 2006-03-07 00:23:43

hakjoon wrote:

The one issue I have with integrating a photo gallery package is that it solves image galleries but not necessarilly Using images in articles. Plus it’s separate user permissions/groups, templating language, databases. It just seems like so much of what we would get with a gallery package is already in place if it’s just fleshed out.

I hear you, I’m just not familiar yet with TXP to make that kind of determination. Do we hack up some plugins to add an image gallery or do we take an image gallery and come in from another angle.

I’d like to explore all options, so I’m not against an all TXP solution, as a matter of fact MaryE sent me a script she was working on for me to test. As soon as I get my Linux server in place, I’ll be able to test out her approach.

squaredeye · 2006-03-07 02:08:30

Hakjoon,
The polls are sort of a fluffy way of saying “see I told you so”, as Mary had instructed that it might be helpful to know how the community uses images.

HCGTV and Justanother,
I believe the use of a more powerful image tag would enable an extremely diverse way of handling large amount of images. Consider that one could have thousands of articles quite easily. If images are handled in the same way and with forms, think of how many options are available for one to manipulate the layout and display of visual information?

That’s my vote.

hakjoon · 2006-03-07 03:36:18

hcgtv wrote:
I hear you, I’m just not familiar yet with TXP to make that kind of determination. Do we hack up some plugins to add an image gallery or do we take an image gallery and come in from another angle.

Very good point. That’s why I would like to focus on requirements instead of how exactly to do it. Think of what you like about plogger, photostack et al. Think about what you don’t like.

One example of something that I saw come up in the album pattern thread that never got answered. How should sub-categories be represented? Should they show up as an subalbum like in gallery or should the images just be included in the parent category?

So looking at other tools is definitely something to do but look at what the tools offer not the tool itself. If at the end of this we figure out that there is already a tool out there with everything we want we can work on integrating it, but at least we knoe that’s the way to go.

I want to try to flesh out the image tags as article tags thing this week. I think that might give people a better sense of what david had in mind.

Skubidu · 2006-03-07 08:20:06

hcgtv schrieb:

My idea is to find one that is along the same lines as TXP, light footprint but has enough functionality to get the job done. Gallery2 is very nice but is huge, 4images’ license would be a hindrance to share the code since it’s not GPL.

Please take a closer look to plogger
This gallery is a really good example how to handle imports and how to manage collections and album an easy way. If such system would be combined with a more powerful image tag, it would be a dream :)

Jeremie · 2006-03-07 09:55:57

I would think that the Gallery thing (integration, feature, plugin, whatever) are best left alone in their respective threads.

Right now, to insert an image while writing an article an user has to :

Create the image of the appropriate size, weight, etc. on his computer
Go to the image tab
Upload the image with his browser, set various datas on it
Potentially go to the organize tab, if he is allowed, and create a new image category, then go back to the image tab to assign that category to the new image
In the global image tag, find the newly uploaded image, select the appropriate mode of insertion (like Textile), switch to the popup
Select the code
Copy (as in copy&paste) the code
Go to the article tab
Find his article, reselect the article and go back into writing mode
Find the spot where he was and want the image inserted
Paste the Textile (or whatever) code in the textarea
Optionnaly (but not so unlikely) find the piece of paper or postit or whatever he wrote the CSS class instructions he got from the site’s admin, and apply them to the new image

A good topic would be to find examples and ideas on :

How to improve the micro-features (multiple thumbnail, exif metadatas, auto resizing, whatever is needed)
How to improve the article’s writer experience. This should be easier, faster, more intuitive.

Gallery and other big things can be built on that, or developped after it, are they not ?

Skubidu · 2006-03-07 10:35:01

Gallery and other big things can be built on that, or developped after it, are they not ?

That’s right.
This discussion about TXP image management has to be about the way how the user inserts an image into an article and about how to organize the images (upload, view by date, view by name, view by category, removing, renaming). That’s where some concepts of gallery scripts might be interesting. Plogger, that I mentioned above, uses similar methods like aba_image_import, that is very useful if you have to handle (and upload) many images.

Jeremie · 2006-03-07 12:53:18

On this topic, yes, there are two major plugins. upm_img_popper for image insertion into an article, and aba_image_import for a small but how useful when you need it feature.

aba_image_import could stay a plugin. If it breaks, it won’t break a website. Only delay further massive image insertions.

img_image_popper on the other hand, is a “core plugin”. If it break for any reason, your whole website break too. So improving it (I’m not talking about PHP code, I’m talking UA, features, etc.) and making it really core (TXP native) would be a good first step into the right direction.

Since it’s not a small task, I’m guessing the dev team would like to have a full feature detailed. In english, what’s wrong with img_popper, what has to be improved and how, etc. And here we’re going back to the thread’s topic :)

hcgtv · 2006-03-07 14:54:02

Jeremie wrote:

I would think that the Gallery thing (integration, feature, plugin, whatever) are best left alone in their respective threads.

Didn’t mean to sidetrack this thread, we should discuss how best to enhance the TXP image handling.

Thanks to Firefox’s tabbed browsing, I usually have article entry in one tab and the image managment section in another.

I agree that this new functionality should be a core feature, so I’ll install the plugins on a test site and play with them so I can give some feedback.

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