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#1 2022-01-09 17:43:03

Destry
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web0

I find the fediverse becoming more interesting, as it swirls and coalesces into something solid and habitable. A lot of interesting and smart people are finding their way there. It’s interesting to watch from the inside.

Anyway, there are some main themes you see again and again that get a lot of critical attention, deservedly. You will recognize these, of course:

  • Decentralization vs. centralized big tech
  • Data privacy vs. surveillance capitalism
  • Open source/free vs. proprietary/copyrighted (and mixtures of)
  • Low-impact/tech vs energy-guzzling bandwidth heavy bloat
  • web0 (also called web 3.0) vs. web3

The last one is the latest battlefront (though none of these are ever over, per se, just different facets/angles of the same problem—capitalism). ‘web3’ is recognized in the fediverse as being the campaign of Silly Con Valley / venture capitalists / techbro-nation to glorify NFTs, blockchain, shitcoins, etc, as the new age of internet. I.e. the absolute worst thing that could possibly happen for the environment and free web. Mainstream media is already glorifying the venture capitalist view of web3, unfortunately, but it gets a lot of push back in the fediverse.

Not to always bring up Aral (many others debate this stuff), but he’s generally visible in these situations, and no less here. The web0 manifesto.

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#2 2022-01-09 20:28:26

Destry
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Re: web0

Another perspective, where the ‘web 3.0’ comes from, but I rather like the ‘web0’ label for its clear distinction and backwards compatibility. ;)

Matt is the owner of the M’don instance I sit on, and creator of a lot of federating tools in recent years, like Write.as, Snap.as, Submit.as (an interesting one on the surface), and his latest thing, Remark.as. He’s a pretty friendly dude, too.

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#3 2022-01-10 00:29:10

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Re: web0

And should you need more evidence of conversation…

Moxie (founder of Signal) writes about web3 and, boy oh boy, bullets flying all over the room.’ – CF

And this bit of well-meaning and not-so-wrong clickbait, from the guy who brought us the 512 Club, among others.

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#4 2022-01-10 10:35:54

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Re: web0

Was just looking through Aral’s privacy statement for the web0 site, being he collects a lot of emails there. I really like that they make their GDPR agreement with the web host available. They don’t use an email provider, so no need for one there.

I like this idea, but I suspect you would want to get an okay, or at least give a heads up, to the provider/Processor before doing this. My current web host doesn’t even recognize such agreements (another reason, on top of not being green powered, that I need do dump them), but I do have one with Protonmail.

Anyone else doing this; making the agreements public as proof?

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#5 2022-01-10 22:42:40

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Re: web0

I had never heard of “Web 3” before this essay popped up on Techmeme 37 days ago.

Is web3 bullshit? The hazy vision of new decentralized internet, built on the blockchain, to succeed the “Web 2.0” of Google and Facebook seems to be reaching a threshold of ambient cultural awareness such that non-tech pundits, news-engaged normies, magazine editors, uncles, online attention-seekers etc., feel the need to weigh in on the question. – Is web3 bullshit?

I miss that more innocent time.

If you have a moment to be either amused or horrified (or both), I recommend KyraTv’s If You Thought It Couldn’t Get Worse…Here You Go – Cryptoland

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#6 2022-01-10 23:47:13

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Re: web0

I’m officially baffled how using a blockchain that, if I’ve understood it correctly, becomes computationally more difficult (thus, more expensive and environmentally damaging) to verify/validate as time marches on, helps me do anything different to what I do now – write and consume content. I feel I’ve missed the big picture here.

That Moxie article is great, btw. Insane how the chain isn’t even tied to the product and the endpoint can change even after the transaction has been made without invalidating the receipt. Like buying a shirt from a store, getting home and opening the bag to find it contains a single shoe instead.

If this is real, it just seems like it’s going to make a bunch of new Silicon Valley Zuckerbergs rich when access to the ledger is centralized via API.

My head hurts.


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#7 2022-01-11 06:20:48

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Re: web0

The blockchain is indeed as problematic as Web 2. Although it does offer the possibility of smart, privacy conscious contracts, this is currently used for mostly dubious or manipulative purposes. My problem is that we are yet to learn anything. Web1 introduced commerce and porn to the internet. Web 2 introduced the surveillance and commodification of our activities. On retrospect, neither were surprises, as our online presence and behaviour are but a mere extension of our off line lives.

The complexity of where we are heading has been summarised by Douglas Rushkoff over 10 years ago: “instead of optimizing our machines for humanity—[…]—we are optimizing humans for machinery.” (Program or Be Programmed, OR Books, NY, 2010)


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#8 2022-01-11 16:51:15

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Re: web0

michaelkpate wrote #332393:

If you have a moment to be either amused or horrified (or both), I recommend KyraTv’s If You Thought It Couldn’t Get Worse…Here You Go – Cryptoland

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#9 2022-01-12 09:39:37

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Re: web0

colak wrote #332395:

The blockchain is indeed as problematic as Web 2. Although it does offer the possibility of smart, privacy conscious contracts, this is currently used for mostly dubious or manipulative purposes. My problem is that we are yet to learn anything. Web1 introduced commerce and porn to the internet. Web 2 introduced the surveillance and commodification of our activities. On retrospect, neither were surprises, as our online presence and behaviour are but a mere extension of our off line lives.

The complexity of where we are heading has been summarised by Douglas Rushkoff over 10 years ago: “instead of optimizing our machines for humanity—[…]—we are optimizing humans for machinery.” (Program or Be Programmed, OR Books, NY, 2010)

Great quote by Rushkoff. I am incredibly suspicious of blockchain technology. Don’t buy into the hype at all. Just following what has been happening with digital currency suggests this creates far more problems than solutions.


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#10 2022-01-12 10:17:31

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Re: web0

A site reporting on current Web3 scandals: web3isgoinggreat.com


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#11 2022-01-12 10:36:00

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Re: web0

colak wrote #332405:

A site reporting on current Web3 scandals: web3isgoinggreat.com

Wow, it is even more depressing when you see it listed like this…

Makes you wonder what the ratio is of suckers to con artists. Too many of both, I fear.


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#12 2022-01-12 18:56:56

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Re: web0

colak wrote #332405:

A site reporting on current Web3 scandals: web3isgoinggreat.com

Yikes. Every era has it’s new way for snake oil salesmen to find marks. Web3 is just the latest way.

I wish I could feel more sorry for someone who invested in “Doodled Dragons” – but if not for “Doodled Dragons” its followers were likely to find another way to make their money go away.

Social media is the bane of actual knowledge where I live. Many believe the dumbest/most implausible things, using FB as a source. It would be bad enough if 5% of humans fell for this dumb stuff, but it seems like it may be closer to 50%.

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