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#21 2020-11-28 11:38:45

Destry
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Re: Gemini

Destry wrote #327088:

My fedi posts auto-descruct after 100 anyway. ;)

An observation worth pointing out, I think, at the risk of derailing focus, is the fact that Twitter increased its character allowance after Mastodon (500 chars by default) rapidly picked up a million users early on. And I hear Twitter is now going to allow self destructing tweets too. Talk about too little too late.

Seems clear to me that while Mastodon software may not be perfect (none is), it went a long way to bring the principles of decentralization and socmed privacy control to more of the collective conscientiousness. Still a long way to go.

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#22 2020-12-11 07:24:18

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Re: Gemini

I’m trying to get a list of ten or so interesting (subjective, I know) blogs together having gemini content. If you come across any, please share.

Here’s a mixed http/gemini one by DeVault. The gemini articles are more recent and indicated by ‘[What is gemini]’ after the titles.

P.S. A post about gemini written for regular http reading. It seems a fresh perspective on it. I can’t argue with his pessimist outlook of most web content.

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#23 2020-12-11 21:31:30

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Re: Gemini

Thanks Destry. Gemini sure sounds interesting. I was a Gopher user and content provider for a couple of years back in the day I even met with some of the Gopher development guys at a couple of conferences.

So far it is not clear to me how i would deploy Gemini on my web hosting company. Do i have to get them to install it?

But overall i am no longer wanting to publish anything. i have shutdown 3 websites recently. 1 of mine and the other 2 that i no longer want to maintain. i sent the clients off to search for someone else to maintain their websites. 1 never bothered, and settled for a simple one page ad.

I agree with what Drew wrote: “The problem is unsolvable. We cannot have the “web” without all of these problems”

I have found that over 60% of websites are bloat. Some sites even crash my browsers. i have very little patience left. If publishers have to rely on intrusive code that causes browsers to crash due to code heavy advertisements, videos, intrusive pop-ups, and on and on, than web the model has come to its knees. It’s broken, at least for mnay of us.

I hope Gemeni has legs and will de adopted by more people esp. writers.

PS this whole forcing of sites to convert to https by google is annyoying. There lots of sites that should remain perfectly fine as http , But no goolge deems them to be DANGEROUS! Fooking Goop! </rant>


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#24 2020-12-12 13:53:19

Destry
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Re: Gemini

bici wrote #327421:

I hope Gemeni has legs and will de adopted by more people esp. writers.

I suspect it will attract tinkerers and rebels, mostly, be they writers or anyone else. And that might be good enough.

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#25 2020-12-12 15:43:23

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Re: Gemini

While I wait for three servers to build, I figured it would be a good time to have a look into this from a web ops perspective since it’s been on my to-do list for a bit. Man, it’s like gopher from way back when!

I get that the project wants people to get involved, but it would be much more straightforward for a server ops person to find out what’s involved if the server entry requirements were on the web, and not in gemini-space.

See gemini.circumlunar.space/docs/faq.html, excerpted below:

3.3 How can I put some content of my own in Geminspace?

Of course, one option is to set up your own Gemini server on a VPS or a computer in your home (small SBCs like the RaspberryPi are perfectly capable of acting as Gemini servers). You can find a list of server software at gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/software/.

OK, so, now I need to run a Gemini client in order to read the server-side details to see whether it’s viable and how to go about it. Guh.

To any Gemini person(s) involved with marketing etc: consider putting gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/software/ on the open web. You might not like search engine vendors much, but the barrier to entry was nearly too high for me as a server person. Make it public, grow your ecosystem.

I’ll wait until the server software has matured a bit before looking at it, I think. Nice idea, but not for now.

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#26 2020-12-12 15:54:56

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Re: Gemini

bici wrote #327421:

I have found that over 60% of websites are bloat.

I highly recommend a system-wide ad blocker, it makes the web much more usable, and I say that using a 2012 Mac mini with Mojave as my daily driver. My preferred choice is Adguard, with Pi Hole doing its thing for all devices.

Adguard has reportedly blocked ~70GB of junk: i.imgur.com/1FQIP03.png
Pi Hole blocks around 10-15% of all requests of a typical day: i.imgur.com/dgWAF1c.png

The only downside to the Pi Hole stuff is other members of the household insisting on clicking Google ad results (sigh) and it needing to be disabled for a few seconds while that happens. Easily fixed with a browser shortcut and enough of a bum ache to eventually (hopefully) stop the ad clicking.

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#27 2020-12-12 18:44:02

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Re: Gemini

gaekwad wrote #327442:

I highly recommend a system-wide ad blocker, it makes the web much more usable, and I say that using a 2012 Mac mini with Mojave as my daily driver. My preferred choice is Adguard, with Pi Hole doing its thing for all devices.

Thank-you. That is much better! I used to have Ghostery but then deleted it when bought out.


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#28 2020-12-13 01:33:08

Destry
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Re: Gemini

gaekwad wrote #327441:

OK, so, now I need to run a Gemini client in order to read the server-side details to see whether it’s viable and how to go about it. Guh.

Yeah, that wasn’t the smartest move on the founder’s part. Nor is the list of gemini browsers on the clients list page complete. For example it doesn’t include the two for macOS pointed out in this thread — Lagrange (which I will try at some point) and Felicity (in Apple store, which I can’t use on my late 2011 mbp) — and I’d think if you wanted more than just linux heads to have a look, you’d point those other pathways out.

But it’s early, and I’m sure someone not affiliated with the project is keeping better docs somewhere. It always happens.

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#29 2020-12-13 08:16:56

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Re: Gemini

Destry wrote #327449:

For example it doesn’t include the two for macOS pointed out in this thread — Lagrange (which I will try at some point) […].

That was the one I used for the quick test. Works just fine, and has the distinct advantage of me not having to pollute my environment with Homebrew and other layers of stuff.

But it’s early, and I’m sure someone not affiliated with the project is keeping better docs somewhere. It always happens.

Oh, yeah. In hindsight I was being overly grumpy while I was waiting for a server IP address to be removed from a third-party block list.

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#30 2020-12-13 09:39:23

Destry
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Re: Gemini

gaekwad wrote #327451:

has the distinct advantage of me not having to pollute my environment with Homebrew and other layers of stuff.

Besides being the only client I can use, seemingly, I was happy that Homebrew would install it. ;)

I’ve had to rely on Homebrew for MySQL installs, which I probably would not have managed without it. I’m not a systems administrator by any stretch.

I should probably read your Txp docs for local dev setups. Where are those? ;)

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