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#31 2020-01-06 21:59:14

WebmistressM
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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

jakob wrote #320883:

txpthemes.com is by Bert Garcia who in the past has been very active here. The layouts he provides on that page are from the pre-txp-themes era and are individual page templates with a corresponding style sheet. Some of them can be done now with other means, e.g. different column layouts can be done with css alone.

Re the definitions:

  • A template is a single page template: an HTML page with txp:tags. You can access them via Presentation › Pages.
  • A front-side theme is a collection of pages, forms, stylesheets (and other things too are possible) packaged up in a folder along with a so-called manifest file that holds its metadata and describes its name, version, author etc. You can import and export them via the Presentation › Themes pane. You can assign all your sections to a new theme, or mix different templates from different themes.
  • An admin theme changes the look of the admin area of Textpattern and has no effect on the public facing site. They are stored in the /textpattern/admin-themes folders and you can switch between them on the Admin › Preferences pane.

That’s the quick run-down :-) Possibly the confusion comes from the fact that themes (like they used to be) have gone by various names in the past.

This actually just cleared up a few things for me as well, caught up in the switchover to txp-themes. Thanks for clearing that up. I am hoping I can hang onto this info right here, so Im gonna make sure this is subscribed to.

To clarify, which is the space where the documentation is being updated/rebuilt? I would like to see if I just have a different link than I should have.

Bloke wrote #320884:

And to add to the second point, in the upcoming 4.8, a front-side theme can also be more easily previewed by logged-in users. Assign a theme that you’re working on as “in development” to one or more of your sections and see how it looks using live article data, without affecting your existing users.

Tweak it until you’re happy with it, then switch it to live so that everyone sees it. No more staging/database syncing dance required!

I know that the stable release is still 4.7.3. If one builds txp themes in 4.7.3, will the 4.8 upgrade (when its ready) be able to bring in that theme and apply this “in development” choice option in the interface, related to that theme?

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#32 2020-01-06 22:37:29

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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

WebmistressM wrote #320891:

If one builds txp themes in 4.7.3, will the 4.8 upgrade (when its ready) be able to bring in that theme and apply this “in development” choice option in the interface, related to that theme?

You can already do the ‘in development’ thing in 4.7.3, it’s just that we’ve made it a bit clearer and more powerful in 4.8. So yes, everything will migrate just fine.


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#33 2020-01-07 13:25:36

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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

jakob wrote #320883:

txpthemes.com is by Bert Garcia who in the past has been very active here. The layouts he provides on that page are from the pre-txp-themes era and are individual page templates with a corresponding style sheet.

For anyone who doesn’t know or has forgotten Bert was upset about the decision to convert the documentation to Markdown so that it could be used with Github Pages and decided to take his leave. Hopefully he comes back at some point.

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#34 2020-01-07 15:16:37

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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

I went to http://txpthemes.com/ when it was first mentioned in this thread many days ago and I’ve seen no themes there whatsoever, just a black dog staring back at me. That might be Bert playing a joke on me, however. He’d be the type to figure it out. (Or, come to think of it, it might be how my browser is set. No tracking.)

gaekwad wrote #320887:

For what it’s worth — and surprising absolutely nobody — I haven’t made any real progress on the theme stuff.

Should I assume you’re talking about themes.textpattern.com, as Phil mentioned? And Jakob, you’re in on that project too? The three muskatrio, then? Anyone else? Not like you guys don’t already have your hands full with Txp project sites. Hopefully you’ll get some more volunteers, considering 4.8 themes are about to fly. Seems more important to people than plugins at this point. But that’s probably just me.

WebmistressM wrote #320891:

which is the space where the documentation is being updated/rebuilt?

At the top of every Textpattern website is a big ‘Documention’ link. That is where documentation is being developed, and thus a good bookmark. Very soon that list of links will change to this list of links. Not the URL, just the content. So follow along at both if you want, but this URLhttps://docs.textpattern.com — is the link that always matters over time. The specific Txp-supported document on themes, which is probably what you’re referring to, is Themes: Creating, using, and sharing, which is listed on the main docs page. It is currently under revision for the latest 4.8 development changes, but that should be done in a day or two. (Of course, all documentation is ever-rolling.)

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#35 2020-01-07 15:47:08

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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

Destry wrote #320897:

I went to http://txpthemes.com/ when it was first mentioned in this thread many days ago and I’ve seen no themes there whatsoever, just a black dog staring back at me.

There’s a drop-down menu called “Themes” at the top that takes you to pages like: http://txpthemes.com/2-col-portfolio/ … They are not themes in the current sense but individual page templates with styles.

Should I assume you’re talking about themes.textpattern.com, as Phil mentioned? And Jakob, you’re in on that project too? The three muskatrio, then?

No, Phil has that covered at the moment. But we need some useful full-blown themes to put in it and at the moment only Pat64 has produced any non-core themes of significance (apologies if I’ve overlooked anyone). As you rightly say, between us we have plenty to be getting on with ;-)

On that note … thanks for your brilliant docs.


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#36 2020-01-07 16:12:25

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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

jakob wrote #320899:

There’s a drop-down menu called “Themes” at the top

Yes, but I just get an empty page with menacing black dog.

No matter, I’m not actually trying to get any themes there. I’m happy with my slapstick patchwork quilt of long-considered experimentation and recycled ideas through time. (Which reminds me, I still have to upload my homepage redo.)

thanks for your brilliant docs.

Well, they haven’t been tested yet. And the technical reviewers — cough-bloke-cough — deserve credit too.

I would love for someone to try out the theme doc in a few days and let me know. Learning txp tags, html, and css is your own doing, though. ;)

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#37 2020-01-07 16:46:45

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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

michaelkpate wrote #320895:

For anyone who doesn’t know or has forgotten Bert was upset about the decision to convert the documentation to Markdown so that it could be used with Github Pages and decided to take his leave. Hopefully he comes back at some point.

Aaaahh… this I did not know. I know that there was some sentiments against GitHub just because I know some people arent too crazy about Microsoft owning it now. While the Documentation (linked to from the top menu) is definitely where Im spending my time, it looks like this is the place to make contributions:
https://github.com/textpattern/textpattern.github.io/blob/master/README.md

Hmm… I wonder if I still have a Github, as its been a while (read: years) since a project (of mine, or that I am working on) has used those services.

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#38 2020-01-07 16:55:58

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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

I’m currently doing the plugins site in the spare moments between my real job (see here) and that is my priority at the moment.

However, as previously mentioned, a lot of the code used in the plugins site will also be used on the themes site – so I envisage a shorter development time for that.

During the themes site development I’ll also try to get my various themes based on popular frameworks (Bootstrap, Foundation, etc) in some sort of finished state so at least there will be something on there at launch (plus any themes by others that are ready at the time).

Thanks for your patience!

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#39 2020-01-07 18:40:55

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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

Destry wrote #320897:

I went to http://txpthemes.com/ when it was first mentioned in this thread many days ago and I’ve seen no themes there whatsoever, just a black dog staring back at me.

i just went there on MacOS Safari and downloaded a “template”. What browser are you using ?


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#40 2020-01-07 18:41:35

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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

philwareham wrote #320905:

I’m currently doing the plugins site in the spare moments between my real job (see here) and that is my priority at the moment.

However, as previously mentioned, a lot of the code used in the plugins site will also be used on the themes site – so I envisage a shorter development time for that.

During the themes site development I’ll also try to get my various themes based on popular frameworks (Bootstrap, Foundation, etc) in some sort of finished state so at least there will be something on there at launch (plus any themes by others that are ready at the time).

Thanks for your patience!

Awesome. I actually was thinking Bootstrap (above the others) for my forays into 4.7 / 4.8 themes that Im doing. More useful info as things get tied together.

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