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#21 2019-12-31 01:46:36

bici
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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

curious: what has happened to ‘stuart butcher’ i see his old site is 404

<p>TEXTPATTERN</p>
<p>Theme URI: http://protextthemes.com/themes/ambience</p>
<p>Version: 1.0.0</p>
<p>Author: The Bombsite</p>
<p>Author URI: http://thebombsite.com
<p>Copyright: © 2011 ProText Themes.</p>


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#22 2019-12-31 18:20:47

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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

bici wrote #320769:

curious: what has happened to ‘stuart butcher’ i see his old site is 404

I did look around for him a while ago, he did a good job of dropping off the grid. As with many people who do this, there are valid reasons for doing so, and I didn’t pursue further.

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#23 2020-01-06 18:23:47

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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

bici wrote #320769:

curious: what has happened to ‘stuart butcher’ i see his old site is 404

<p>TEXTPATTERN</p>
<p>Theme URI: http://protextthemes.com/themes/ambience</p>
<p>Version: 1.0.0</p>
<p>Author: The Bombsite</p>
<p>Author URI: http://thebombsite.com
<p>Copyright: © 2011 ProText Themes.</p>

No idea when he dropped off but sometime after 2012. For anyone coming across this thread later, here is a visual re: how his theme looked

https://web.archive.org/web/20121013105140/http://protextthemes.com/themes/ambience

I liked this layout and had it bookmarked back when i was working with TextPattern 4.6 . Great reference of some of the aesthetics I like

So, for those on this thread that are interested in helping with themes, is there any sort of collaborative space that is/can be established? I did look at Bert (I think that was his name)’s About page, which seems to encourage that we could work with what he has already developed.

http://txpthemes.com/about

I think tablet friendly themes and the complementary “Get Started” documentation are great bedfellows to show people the ease-of-entry for TextPattern.

-happy how friendly TextPattern is on their “Little Server That Could”
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#24 2020-01-06 18:47:07

bici
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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

WebmistressM wrote #320881:

So, for those on this thread that are interested in helping with themes, is there any sort of collaborative space that is/can be established? I did look at Bert (I think that was his name)’s About page, which seems to encourage that we could work with what he has already developed.

http://txpthemes.com/about

I think tablet friendly themes and the complementary “Get Started” documentation are great bedfellows to show people the ease-of-entry for TextPattern.

-happy how friendly TextPattern is on their “Little Server That Could”
WebmistressM

i really like and have used “Themes” from http://txpthemes.com/

I would hope that more of these kinds of themes would be developed. ( ps who is behind txpthemes.com ? )
What i like about them is that they are complete templates that replace the default installation.
Having worked with “themes” that we install in our ~/themes/ directory I prefer to replace the default look with my own design. I am not comfortable with installing themes via the admin interface. i remain wary that using this method is fail proof.

finally what is a Theme vs a Template?
Are admin installed themes skins to the default site? if so would invoking a third theme completely change the look without changing content?
Are Templates a complete stand alone replacement of the default template?

Or am i the only one that is confused with the terms Themes/Templates?


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#25 2020-01-06 18:59:57

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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

txpthemes.com is by Bert Garcia who in the past has been very active here. The layouts he provides on that page are from the pre-txp-themes era and are individual page templates with a corresponding style sheet. Some of them can be done now with other means, e.g. different column layouts can be done with css alone.

Re the definitions:

  • A template is a single page template: an HTML page with txp:tags. You can access them via Presentation › Pages.
  • A front-side theme is a collection of pages, forms, stylesheets (and other things too are possible) packaged up in a folder along with a so-called manifest file that holds its metadata and describes its name, version, author etc. You can import and export them via the Presentation › Themes pane. You can assign all your sections to a new theme, or mix different templates from different themes.
  • An admin theme changes the look of the admin area of Textpattern and has no effect on the public facing site. They are stored in the /textpattern/admin-themes folders and you can switch between them on the Admin › Preferences pane.

That’s the quick run-down :-) Possibly the confusion comes from the fact that themes (like they used to be) have gone by various names in the past.

EDIT: answered a few more of your questions after having something to eat:

What i like about them is that they are complete templates that replace the default installation.

Yes, that’s the idea of the new/current theme mechanism. You can install them alongside your default/own theme and then either switch wholesale between them or try out how individual sections look with another theme’s design. Your content is not changed, but the look changes.

Having worked with “themes” that we install in our ~/themes/ directory I prefer to replace the default look with my own design. I am not comfortable with installing themes via the admin interface. i remain wary that using this method is fail proof.

Actually having worked for years with other theme editing methods (cnk_versioning, rah/oui_flat etc.) I would say the current themes mechanism is safer to work with. Each theme is separate and you can have several installed alongside one another and switch – or mix/match – between them. How well mix and match works depends on how consistently two (or more) themes are designed and coded.

If you’re worried about losing your existing design, you can give it a name and details on the Presentation › Theme pane, and then export it to disk for safe-keeping. You should get a folder with that name on your server that you can back up for safe-keeping. You can also duplicate a theme if you decide you want to do a different variant or a revised version of your existing design without worrying about losing your old version.


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#26 2020-01-06 19:12:09

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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

And to add to the second point, in the upcoming 4.8, a front-side theme can also be more easily previewed by logged-in users. Assign a theme that you’re working on as “in development” to one or more of your sections and see how it looks using live article data, without affecting your existing users.

Tweak it until you’re happy with it, then switch it to live so that everyone sees it. No more staging/database syncing dance required!


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#27 2020-01-06 19:45:28

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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

WebmistressM wrote #320881:

here is a visual re: how his theme looked: https://web.archive.org/web/20121013105140/http://protextthemes.com/themes/ambience

The demo page is linked to on archive.org, too, so you can see the resulting HTML markup here: https://web.archive.org/web/20121014215940/http://protextthemes.net/?name=ambience

The theme was originally a WooThemes WP theme, which you can still find out there if you want to explore the theme more. It’s not responsive though.


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#28 2020-01-06 19:52:49

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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

For what it’s worth — and surprising absolutely nobody — I haven’t made any real progress on the theme stuff. Work got busy, as is usual for me in Q4 most years, but let’s see what the future brings.

There are lots of responsive CSS frameworks to use as a base, many are MIT licensed, so perhaps that’s enough of a prod for someone to start exploring or building. Here are some, including a few I’ve had recommended by people around here:

…and some of the old guard:

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#29 2020-01-06 19:54:11

bici
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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

jakob wrote #320883:

txpthemes.com is by Bert Garcia who has in the past been very active here. The layouts he provides on that page are from the pre-txp-themes era and are individual page templates with a corresponding style sheet. Some of them can be done now with other means, e.g. different column layouts can be done with css alone.

Re the definitions:

  • A template is a single page template: an HTML page with txp:tags. You can access them via Presentation › Pages.
  • A front-side theme is a collection of pages, forms, stylesheets (and other things too are possible) packaged up in a folder along with a so-called manifest file that holds its metadata and describes its name, version, author etc. You can import and export them via the Presentation › Themes pane. You can assign all your sections to a new theme, or mix different templates from different themes.
  • An admin theme changes the look of the admin area of Textpattern and has no effect on the public facing site. They are stored in the /textpattern/admin-themes folders and you can switch between them on the Admin › Preferences pane.

That’s the quick run-down :-) Possibly the confusion comes from the fact that themes (like they used to be) have gone by various names in the past.

many thanks! good explanation


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#30 2020-01-06 19:59:17

jakob
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Re: Who's interested in making a Textpattern theme over the coming months?

gaekwad wrote #320887:

For what it’s worth — and surprising absolutely nobody — I haven’t made any real progress on the theme stuff. Work got busy, as is usual for me in Q4 most years, but let’s see what the future brings.

Ditto, but it’s coming, along with other things. Like you say, there’s that thing called work that takes first place…


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