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#311 2018-05-22 16:21:59

michaelkpate
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Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general

Bloke wrote #311982:

Welcome to overt censorship.

I miss the days when western governments were trying to stop to help people get around censorship, not coming up with new ways to do it. From 2003:

The news and propaganda wing behind the U.S. government’s Voice of America broadcasts has commissioned software that lets Chinese Web surfers sneak around the boundaries set by their government. – Software rams great firewall of China

Of course, I wasn’t impressed with Techmeme either when they used this headline “German law requiring social media companies to take down hate speech within 24 hours prompts far right claims of lack of clarity, chilled speech, and censorship” for this Atlantic article, Germany’s Attempt to Fix Facebook Is Backfiring, implying that anyone who care about Free Speech is an Actual Nazi.

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#312 2018-05-22 17:31:34

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Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general

I think that the ideas about free speech have been abducted by the alt-wotsits and stripped from whatever good intentions these ideas stood for. There is a difference between hate speech, such as racism, mysogynism, gay-bashing, etc, and speaking politics. Unfortunately, recently, there seems to be a confusion about the fundamental differences between the two but it seems that the news are publishing much more about hate speech as an inseparable ingredient of free/political speech. This indicates, in my view, a shift from what is acceptable to discuss in public, a shift away from social ethics which have now been replaced by a misdirected/misguided social morality about the so called importance of ethnicity or sex-habits. Scaringly, for me, this comes with public consensus.

The current problems (and yesterday’s resignation) in UK’s Labour party stand as proof of this situation.


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#313 2018-05-22 17:50:28

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#314 2018-05-22 18:06:05

Bloke
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Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general

michaelkpate wrote #311983:

implying that anyone who care about Free Speech is an Actual Nazi.

Yep. Gotta love the mainstream media and their daily duplicity. I don’t doubt that headlines are manipulated to that extent. If it isn’t sensational or clickbaity, or immediately grabs your attention as you scroll through 300 posts about what type of sandwiches your “friends” ate for lunch, it won’t get noticed.

colak has it spot on that terms have become so interwoven and bombarded at us every day with confusing and contradictory examples, we’re in an age where everyone’s stepping on eggshells to not seem anti-something. And when we can’t enter into debate – even political debate – out of fear for offending someone, well that’s censorship by any other name.

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#315 2018-05-23 04:48:43

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Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general

Bloke wrote #311987:

well that’s censorship by any other name.

I wish I believed that! Censorship normally comes with its own set of legal rules which, in democratic societies, are always open to public discourse. The absence of a real and open debate smells like public manipulation steered by political (and politically motivated algorithmic) agendas.


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#316 2018-05-23 21:08:02

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Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general

Well I’m bamboozled by Hermes and their GDPR email I received today. Given that they seem to have found someone to compose their email who can’t grasp the concept of a single sentence being a standalone block of information, I’m kind of glad I’m going to be removed from their list:

If you don’t opt-in we will no longer be able to communicate with you after 24th May and we will erase your data but please note we will never sell your data to third parties; we will always keep your details secure.

So, umm, are you going to erase my data or just not sell invisible information that you somehow keep secure to third parties? ?


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#317 2018-05-23 22:15:57

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Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general

For companies that have operated under the principle of “extract as much data as possible and figure it out later,” reorganizing under GDPR is a lot like an episode of Hoarders, especially one of those episodes where the hoarder doesn’t finish cleaning and everyone sort of falls apart crying at the end. – No one’s ready for GDPR

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#318 2018-05-23 22:23:37

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Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general

Bloke wrote #312034:

So, umm, are you going to erase my data or just not sell invisible information that you somehow keep secure to third parties? ?

Hahaha, that was a particularly good one!

In reply to michaelkpate #312039:

“extract as much data as possible and figure it out later,”

Yes, I read that one too. I bet there are plenty like that.

@Destry, Bici and others: All engines are go for you: Webfaction have now published their DPA. And it’s lengthy: be prepared for eyes glazing over! Apparently we’ll see something soon in the control panel.


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#319 2018-05-24 05:51:09

colak
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Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general

We’ve sent our GDPR letter yesterday… Here’s my favourite part of it:

We continue to monitor the evolving interpretation of the regulation to ensure your rights are protected and added an extensive privacy policy written in a clear language which will definitely help you fall asleep should you have any trouble doing so.


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#320 2018-05-24 07:15:24

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Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general

jakob wrote #312040:

Webfaction have now published their DPA. And it’s lengthy: be prepared for eyes glazing over! Apparently we’ll see something soon in the control panel.

Thanks for the heads up.

I’m surprised they’ve actually made the DPA public, which most companies don’t do because it’s only a contract between the controller and the processor.

I also don’t know why they call it an “Addendum” when the specific term is “Agreement”, but that’s probably legal insignificance.

I’m a little surprised by this part because I thought all their ‘processing’ was done on European servers:

9. Transfers of Personal Data.

9.1 U.S. Based Processing.

Customer Data will be transferred within and outside the EEA and processed in the United States.

Anyone know good European-only web hosts? I.e. don’t use US data centers? That seems to be a hard thing to find. Not that it matters much anymore, legally speaking.

And finally, I don’t see any mention of ‘IP addresses’ anywhere. In Annex 2, No. 1 they talk about ‘Encryption’ and ‘Data Minimization’ and something called ‘PII/SPII’ and “PII/SPI’, whatever that is. But I think this means they’re encrypting/anonymizing our data but not the data our servers are providing for us as website owners. For example the server logs they keep for our sites in rotation of 7 days (a nice short period, at least) do not anonymize the IPs (thus an important reason for making clear in your privacy policies what you do with IP data).

P.S. I suggested to Phil to use bq(cite). (thus bq(cite)..) as a new forum style for displayed quotations of externally-sourced content so they appear differently than quoted matter from conversations in a thread. I just marked the one above that way. I’m guessing if everyone does the same, then those displayed quotations will convert to the new style when the style rules are added. Michael, for example, I know you use the bq. feature heavily for external content, you might want to add the selector on those, if you care.


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