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#81 2012-08-08 10:48:04

Gocom
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern 4.5.0 Beta released

Destry, in the future yes, maybe. Future releases will have modal dialogs and things like that, it seems. But even for compatibility reasons, hopefully that doesn’t happen in Textpattern v4.5, but in 2013. The next release is in feature-freeze. The ajax saving is pretty rough at the moment and isn’t completely issue free even and keeping it in as few places as possible for the time being is probably for the best.

Thing is, adding that to everywhere will need quite a bit of work. I have to say that I wouldn’t use the ajax saving for everything just to be consistent, but aim to use appropriate tools for different tasks. Some panels and situations will likely never get that ajax saving thing unless all issues like performance, caching and consistent view updating can be solved.

For instance on those Presentation panels, the script response would literally replace the whole page when saving an item. After all it would have to replace the sidebar as a whole to get updated sorting for it and such. This then would cause issues and compatibility problems with plugins.

Plugins that are reliant of the sidebar’s list would literally have to inject themselves to the script response and re-initialize on each save again. Which, well, sounds like a beg for a memory leak to happen to be completely honest.

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#82 2012-08-08 12:50:20

Destry
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern 4.5.0 Beta released

Thanks, Gocom. I figured technical factors were in there somewhere. I didn’t think it was a new feature, since it was done in the Write panel, which is why I mentioned it now.

Just so people understand me…

For myself, I use CSS files on the server and in the editor as it suits me (I’m a switch hitter), and if I could write articles in a different editor too without having to copy/paste the text back into Txp, I would do it. In fact, I do copy/paste article for collaborative projects like the magazine, even though it’s not ideal.

(Though I would personally use the Write editor solely if we had configurable custom field boxes for textareas, in which case the UI would be better for creating more chunked content, and thus better suited to adaptive content planning. But that’s 4.6, maybe, hopefully.)

Usually when I toss things in like this about UI behavior, it’s with the new user in mind, and thus the default system. Since starting the doc wiki in 2004 I’ve been a shooter for the new user, and give a plug now and then about what context needs kept in mind. That way there’s at least some noise (joining that of a few other user champions here) for the usability side of things, whether it goes down that way or not. In these cases I hope the technical parts—be they constraints or best practices—work themselves out eventually among the programmers.

Like you said, maybe 2013.


The text persuades, the *notes prove。

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#83 2012-08-08 22:52:43

thebombsite
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern 4.5.0 Beta released

Just a bit of a niggle, and this has probably been the situation since the beginning of time but I have never noticed it particularly before this newer version of “Hive”. It seems that every page has a page title except for the “Write” page. Any reason for this?


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#84 2012-08-09 02:47:28

mistersugar
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern 4.5.0 Beta released

Downloaded the nightly and easily and quickly installed Textpattern 4.5beta and set a few preferences in the 5 minutes before I had to leave work this afternoon. Piece of cake. Thanks for your great work all these years!

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#85 2012-08-09 05:13:21

wet
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern 4.5.0 Beta released

thebombsite wrote:

It seems that every page has a page title except for the “Write” page. Any reason for this?

Titles serve as an easily recognizable element to distinguish these all-to-similar looking list pages from each other. The Write page really stands out so there’s not much sense in adding a title just for the sake of uniformity and waste valuable screen estate.

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#86 2012-08-09 06:56:08

phiw13
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern 4.5.0 Beta released

Testing with Hive and Sandspace4 on iOS: the close button on the alerts (message panes) doesn’t seem to work. Clicking the ‘x’ button does nothing.

(I’ve only tested with the simulator so far – both iPad and iPod are out of the house atm).

aside: the jQuery docs on ‘live’ (used for the above) notes it is deprecated in 1.7.

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#87 2012-08-09 07:02:47

tye
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern 4.5.0 Beta released

Are there reasons you have to click the x to close the alerts/announcements? Is it possible to just click anywhere on the screen to close them?

I was also thinking/wondering if it would be useful (or overkill) to include a few more preferences during the install, like Site Name, Permanent link mode etc?

I suppose it would open a can of worms as to which perference is more important, this would differ from person to person and its not so hard to change them…. just throwing it out there :)

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#88 2012-08-09 07:12:14

Gocom
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern 4.5.0 Beta released

phiw13 wrote:

Testing with Hive and Sandspace4 on iOS: the close button on the alerts (message panes) doesn’t seem to work. Clicking the ‘x’ button does nothing.

Yes. On mobile Safari click doesn’t bubble from non-clickable elements. Same will apply to iPad. Basically the span (span.close) needs to be changed to a link (a.close element).

aside: the jQuery docs on ‘live’ (used for the above) notes it is deprecated in 1.7.

Good catch. Indeed Robert updated the jQuery version while a back which allows changing some stuff. Will write a patch that replaces live() method with on(). Unlike the docs say, it will not actually change anything performance-wise.

Last edited by Gocom (2012-08-09 07:12:52)

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#89 2012-08-09 07:51:44

Gocom
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern 4.5.0 Beta released

Hmm, Phil did seem to have changed the spans to links in some of the commits after the patch I sent. For classic the change was bundled in the the notification look commits and for Hive… somewhere. That said, the close link should have a target (href="#" attribute), which makes the link, well, clickable. Which in return should ensure that it bubbles.

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#90 2012-08-09 08:20:26

wet
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern 4.5.0 Beta released

phiw13 wrote:

Testing with Hive and Sandspace4 on iOS: the close button on the alerts (message panes) doesn’t seem to work. Clicking the ‘x’ button does nothing.

Thanks. Please try r4056.

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