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#11 2011-01-16 16:02:45

hcgtv
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Re: [mention] Wordpress < > Textpattern

jsoo wrote:

Txp 5, on the other hand, is really going to happen and it is going to a huge step forward.

Jeff, when I see a branch on SVN, something that I can touchy feely, I’ll get excited also.

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#12 2011-01-16 17:04:35

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Re: [mention] Wordpress < > Textpattern

Yes, I know I’ve just made a prediction about vaporware. I trust it will happen both because of the quality of the dev team, and also from hints I’ve picked up that they are currently evaluating the feasibility of migrating to a new code base. A big step, obviously, and a tough migration if Txp is to continue its impeccable tradition of pain-free upgrades.


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#13 2011-01-16 17:20:47

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Re: [mention] Wordpress < > Textpattern

jsoo wrote:

currently evaluating the feasibility of migrating to a new code base

Yeah, fun all round. And part of the reason a new repo hasn’t appeared on SVN at the moment (the other being that we’re considering Mercurial or another versioning system but Google Code doesn’t appear to allow both that and SVN at the same time, and we’re not sure of the impact on the existing repos if we start a new repo using a different system. Moving the TXP 5 repo elsewhere is also an option of course. Which would further explain why you can’t see one on Google Code right now :-)

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#14 2011-01-17 11:54:26

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Re: [mention] Wordpress < > Textpattern

On OT – Textpattern sits in a comfortable place for me between WordPress at the low end and Drupal at the high end when building a site. The tag-based system within Textpattern I feel is more flexible than Wordpress in building a complete bespoke medium-sized business site.

On the other hand Wordpress is great when building a quick, cheap, good looking site for a client – just purchase one of the many professional themes and customise accordingly.

Regarding the awful ‘out of the box’ look on current Textpattern installs, I’ve offered to help build some front-end templates when TXP5 development gets underway, though the enthusiasm from others failed to materialise so I have not proceeded any further.

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#15 2011-01-17 12:15:17

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Re: [mention] Wordpress < > Textpattern

philwareham wrote:

Regarding the awful ‘out of the box’ look on current Textpattern installs, I’ve offered to help build some front-end templates when TXP5 development gets underway

And yours (and other) templates are very welcome. The out of the box look will be changing and I’d certainly like to take the design elements presented thus far and give the default theme a well overdue facelift. Perhaps with ~cXc~’s new template system and jsoo’s default template idea (on install) we can really start to tackle this area.

In the meantime we have a little hump to leap over before we figure out how to piece all the stuff together. Please don’t be discouraged if it appears we’re not attentive enough: the eyes and ears of TXP are very much open, it just takes a while for the hands to catch up :-)


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#16 2011-01-17 12:23:46

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Re: [mention] Wordpress < > Textpattern

Bloke wrote:

jsoo’s default template idea (on install)

Is there a link to what this is, I’m intrigued to find out any developments so far?

Cheers,
Phil

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#17 2011-01-17 12:36:22

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Re: [mention] Wordpress < > Textpattern

philwareham wrote:

Is there a link

Sure — buried among the ideas on the first page of that thread before it started going off at a tangent. I’m not sure how far it got — I believe Jeff had a proof of concept up and running somewhere but he’ll be able to tell you more. I thought it was a great idea and if there were packaged themes easily available (as ~cXc~ seems to be advocating) then one could easily see people rolling their own TXP installs by uploading some packages along with their core files and just choosing one on install. And using the template manager plugin to switch themes further down the line.

Maybe hosted TXP services can then come of age…?

The on-install option would also be great for people (like me) who customise their installations and delete fluff, set up standard Templates and Forms, etc. I could make a template and save it as my baseline. Bliss. (EDIT: I know there are ways to do it using cnk_versioning or merging files into the core but it’s more hassle than I’m prepared to put up with).

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#18 2011-01-17 14:17:09

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Re: [mention] Wordpress < > Textpattern

Bloke wrote:

I’m not sure how far it got — I believe Jeff had a proof of concept up and running somewhere but he’ll be able to tell you more.

I haven’t done anything with it since submitting it to txp-dev — there were no responses, a pretty good indication of lack of interest ;), and what people really want is public-side theme switching on existing sites, not just during installation. But I still have the code, of course, if it would be useful. It was only ever conceived as something to use if either:

  • there were no plans for an integrated public-side theme switcher, or;
  • there are such plans but a stop-gap is needed.

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#19 2011-01-17 14:21:03

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Re: [mention] Wordpress < > Textpattern

Bloke wrote:

Perhaps with ~cXc~’s new template system and jsoo’s default template idea (on install) we can really start to tackle this area.

Any template system via a plugin has to deal with the core issues that I brought up almost 4 years ago, and hard coded forms have to be dealt with. A plugin can go so far, the core has to meet it halfway.

Bloke wrote:

The on-install option would also be great for people (like me) who customise their installations and delete fluff, set up standard Templates and Forms, etc. I could make a template and save it as my baseline. Bliss.

Following the Debian analogy, Debian being the basis for so many distros, due to it’s slow methodical upgrade process, I’m using Textpattern core to roll my own version. After following Textpattern for so many years, I’ve come to the conclusion that you have to roll up your sleeves and have at it.

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#20 2011-01-17 14:46:40

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Re: [mention] Wordpress < > Textpattern

hcgtv wrote:

Any template system via a plugin has to deal with the core issues

Yep. Taking a digital AK-47 to the existing hard-coded Pages and Forms (on new installations) is part of the new public-side default template goals.

Comments should, imho, be relegated to a (core-sanctioned) plugin that you can choose to include during install or add later. The vast swathe of comment tags and comment forms need serious pruning. Whether these happen or not will be down to resources. Perhaps it’ll all come out in the wash when we’ve figured out a few more details.

I raised a thread ages ago on possible avenues of approach for the comments system but forgot about it and let it fall by the wayside. Might be outdated now but I think Gocom made a start on some refactorisation of the core comment tags.


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