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Destry · 2008-09-25 07:34:38

Cool. Looking forward to the masthead to put on here, then I can tighten that skin down and port it to TextBook proper.

zero · 2008-09-25 12:42:43

Destry, you sound like your design of Textbook is a done deal but isn’t that presumptuous? You’ve posted your demo and two updates of it but nobody has responded at all. Doesn’t that tell you that perhaps nobody is enthusiastic enough about it to comment?

There has been a fully working version of textbook available for several weeks now and perhaps the community prefers that one to yours. For myself, I am getting the drift of where you are going with your design and to be honest I expected something much better. Perhaps you don’t rate mine either, so our opinions cancel each other out. But I think there’s enough of your design available now for other community members to form an opinion and decide which they prefer. To refresh memories, you can see the Dokuwiki version here. Of course some changes will need making when Matthew’s done his thing but that should not be hard to do or for people to imagine.

Destry · 2008-09-25 15:54:38

Hi Peter,

Always a pleasure.

zero wrote:

Doesn’t that tell you that perhaps nobody is enthusiastic enough about it to comment?

On the contrary, I think people are just being kind for your sake. :)

At any rate, here’s a few things I do know:

Your baiting this issue is off target in this thread.
Both hakjoon (TxB head honcho) and wet have validated keeping MediaWiki under the circumstances (you know, least amount of friction thing), something pointed out already but wich you seem to ignore. (Or forget about? Ask if you need the links.)
My design concepts originally posted here, received positive feedback, so you lost me on that one.
Outside of a consistent masthead, colors and font styling, there’s no relevancy in design between .com and a wiki, anymore than there is between a wiki and a forum. My skin is done and in affect in a live MW. Colors and fonts are inline with the style guide. The new masthead is all that’s needed, and all should fit nicely once that’s done.
If the wiki sees another 10 language translation efforts started (albeit a long stretch), your bookshelf will break. It will also break (undoubtedly) when the new masthead is given, which means you’ll need to rethink language links. (Mine are conveniently listed without constraints under the search, and will appear there when live at source as originally conceived.)
I’m now making content changes at source where they are most needed and where other authors can help. Some efforts are first made in working demo as a model to guide source changes and to show useful features like the mini-navigation (which rely on the new skin’s CSS to demonstrate effectively), but no db dumps or system changes are necessary now or later — direct demo to source changes only via front-office.
I’ve invited you to work with me on this. You continue to run solo.
If you made half as much content effort at the source as you do at 101010/textboo, the real TextBook would have already been better. (No matter, I assume anyone can just copy paste from textboo?)
Until hakjoon pesonally tells me to do otherwise (which I’ll gladly abide by because I respect the thankless role of authority), I’ll keep on with my efforts at source since nothing else is an indicator that anything has changed.

Presumptuous? Not to my reckoning, but I’ve been wrong before. Is there anything else on this issue to quibble about? If so, you might want to resuscitate this so I can kindly ignore it.

zero · 2008-09-25 16:37:22

OK, I put my reply here

Neko · 2008-09-25 17:52:31

I went ahead and contacted Jennie. She replied today. Here’s what she wrote:

I’m pretty busy at the moment (my partners and I are in the middle of restructuring and relaunching our business, Bento Box), but depending on the scope and timeline of the project, I’d love to help out as a volunteer. I looked through the thread you sent me and I am very impressed with how much you guys are pulling together and the passion still so evident in TXP users.

If you could let me know what you need from me and when you’d need the work completed, I can let you know if it’s realistic for me to get involved.

So, if we’re still considering having on board someone who can really write good copy, I’d say we should try to answer to the questions she asked (what we need and when).

Maybe we could ask her if she’d like to nail down some brief, but important, bits like the main claim or something else.

What do you guys think?

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zero · 2008-09-25 18:31:36

I think that’s great, Neko! From my pov, I would ask her to advise on the home page. The top section (arranged by zero) seems to be what we are going with at the moment, but if she could also scan through the content below that, plus read the content on Destry’s wireframe, and see if there is anything there which should be included in the finished home page content. When? anyone?

BTW, I hope this comment doesn’t stop Matthew going ahead with the design as planned.

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Destry · 2008-09-26 15:28:23

Neko wrote:

What do you guys think?

+10 — for welcome fresh air and putting some finality to things.

squaredeye · 2008-09-26 15:33:23

@neko

BTW, I hope this comment doesn’t stop Matthew going ahead with the design as planned.

What do you mean there? I don’t know how that would stop me? I’m unstoppable :P

I will be postponing till Saturday for the comp though. I hadn’t seen that wireframe comp of destries, how recent is that? What should I be looking at including or leaving out of that wireframe? Thank you for catching me up :)))

Matthew

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Destry · 2008-09-26 15:53:23

Matthieu, that’s old. It was just used to demonstrate some points after your first wire. I think zero was only referring to content, but I think you should disregard it so not to be distracted unnecessarily. Whatever plan was on your mind prior to recent distraction is what you should go with. :)

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squaredeye · 2008-09-28 02:36:55

As Promised : Saturday delivery.

The Second go at layout for Textpattern.com.

INTRODUCTION
I garnered the content from the home page. I drew inspiration for the layout from the discussions in this thread and what I believe is the most accurate representation of the hierarchy that you’ve laid out in your home documentation.

I have not addressed typography (in terms other than weight and prominence)
I have not addressed color or nuance in the design.
I am particularly addressing layout and a few pieces of functionality

THOUGHTS
As I laid this out, I saw/experienced a few things that I wanted to comment on. Feel free to let me know that I have misinterpreted the home document or if you’d like to contest an opinion.

I think the Try/Love sections are odd and competing. I would stick with one. They feel redundant and force the user to think through too many issues. These might not be so odd and competing if they were deeper in the structure of the site and more defined. I feel like the home page ought to have numerous lead ins to areas like these, rather than the full text. I’ve tried to address this with tabs in some cases, but I’m not sure that’s working. The same issues arise for the “Reasons NOT to like Textpattern” – in addition that feels coy, unprofessional, and like some weird in-fighting between Textpattern and other CMS’.

I don’t understand the DEMO and Support areas. Can someone further explain these, so that I can properly define their form?

What particular elements should be common to all footers? Apple style footer with section links? Breadcrumb?

THE LAYOUT

masa · 2008-09-28 05:03:44

Hm, where did the yellow go ;-)

To be honest, this looks far too cluttered to me, like something trying to be everything to anyone – sorry.

Whatever happened to the concept of branding?

wet · 2008-09-28 06:45:22

squaredeye wrote:

I have not addressed color or nuance in the design.

Textpattern CMS

Textpattern CMS support forum

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