Tips for the default stylesheets

Pat64 · 2007-01-05 15:44:51

There is a problem with FireFox when you clic on a link. You’ve got a strange dotted border transparent frame around it.
We can avoid that within the default stylesheets by adding :

a {outline:none;}

Perhaps Core Developers could add this tips inside the default stylesheets?
Cheers.

Last edited by Pat64 (2007-01-06 10:18:38)

TNT · 2007-01-05 17:34:47

Thanks for this! I was wondering how to get rid of this…

jm · 2007-01-05 18:19:23

Seriously? I never thought it was strange – it’s Firefox’s default behavior.

TNT · 2007-01-05 20:27:37

I just thought it was annoying. Default behaviour isn’t necessarily good behaviour… (Do I have to name that one browser? ;)

wet · 2007-01-05 21:09:04

This ain’t annoying, but the only visual clue for people (with motoric disabilities, for instance) who navigate by keyboard (tabbing from link to link) to tell the active link apart from all the other page elements. Removing the “strange transparent frame” on the active link is a measure against accessibility.

TNT · 2007-01-05 21:18:18

Oh, I didn’t know that. That puts things in perspective.

*fires up TxP to remove a certain line in his stylesheet.*

els · 2007-01-05 22:12:09

Damn… changing 15 stylesheets and changing them back an hour later… Thanks wet ;) (and so we keep learning…)

wet · 2007-01-05 22:34:23

A rule of thumb:

if something seems wrong in Firefox, you are too dumb.
if something seems wrong in IE6, you are too clever.

maniqui · 2007-01-06 00:35:24

wet wrote:

This ain’t annoying, but the only visual clue for people (with motoric disabilities, for instance) who navigate by keyboard (tabbing from link to link) to tell the active link apart from all the other page elements. Removing the “strange transparent frame” on the active link is a measure against accessibility.

wet, I think what you say is ok, but isn’t totally right. It’s not the only visual clue for people with disabilities.
If you remove the outline from links in Firefox, you can add the :focus and :active pseudo classes (for FF, because it supports it).
So, I would go with removing the outline but adding those pseudo-classes, that can be more noticieable than the “strange transparent frame”.

tranquillo · 2007-01-06 08:57:14

Well, what about the user? If the user is used to a certain behaviour, why change it? To confuse him?

Regarding this frame question, it doesn’t seem to matter, if it’s there or replaced with a:active. As the user already uses firefox instead of IE 7 (@wet – if something seems wrong in IE6: we reached Middle Ages 7 some weeks ago), it proofs of a higher understanding of things.

But others may be already confused by little changes (believe me, I work with “others”). I miss this point of view in such discussions. It’s the same with active links. Although usability rules state not to display the active navigation element as link, most of the navigation functions or plugins do.

wet · 2007-01-06 09:04:29

tranquillo wrote:

@wet – if something seems wrong in IE6: we reached Middle Ages 7 some weeks ago

Sadly, “we” did. But the other 80% of all IE abusers haven’t yet, according to my sites’ stats. Plus, if somethings wrong in IE 7, there’s a good chance that you are too dumb. A new paradigma for web development ;-)

Mary · 2007-01-06 19:01:02

You’ve got a strange dotted border transparent frame around it.

That is not a problem, that is how browsers have worked for a very long time. I consider it ill-advised to simply remove it by default.

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