@mary, links on top nav bar

alexandra · 2006-07-31 08:51:08

don´t know if this happened in the last days..

The links of the top nav bar were renamed and that leads to confusion. Once it was FAQ and now it is Help. Most of the postings on the forum referr to the FAQ. Newbies will search them now and will not know they find them under ‘help’.

I like to suggest to go with the navbar name convetion of Textbook. It is more clear. F. e. TextGarden should be called TextGarden instead of ‘Templates’. So people get used to the word TextGarden and now it´s the template repository of TXP.

btw. Right now there is no link to Textbook.

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colak · 2006-07-31 08:54:32

Hi Alex
There is a link to the textbook. It was renamed into “Reference”

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alexandra · 2006-07-31 09:15:11

Hi Alex
There is a link to the textbook. It was renamed into “Reference”

that leads me to the ~~mailinglist~~ to some apache info site :(

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Destry · 2006-07-31 09:30:18

I have a theory about why the labels were changed, but I’ll refrain. ;)

At any rate, I have to agree, the changes are more confusing than an improvement. With the labels “TextBook”, “TextGarden”, “TXPMag” etc, plastered all over the Web, I would think that’s what people understand to look for now. Best to use the words as they are. My 2 cents.

As for the TextBook link…please change it to http://textbook.textpattern.net.

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colak · 2006-07-31 09:35:10

alexandra wrote:

bq. Hi Alex
There is a link to the textbook. It was renamed into “Reference”
that leads me to the ~~mailinglist~~ to some apache info site :(

It leads to http://textpattern.net/
which is then fowarded to
http://textpattern.net/wiki/index.php?title=TextBook_International
for me

reid · 2006-07-31 16:03:18

My two cents is that both sides are right. Things like TextBook and TextGarden have become well known names within the community.

But the point is that the navigation should also serve someone who has just arrived here for the first time, and has no clue at all about our TextConventions, or why textpattern.com, .net, and .org are all different things. It’s far from obvious to a newbie trying to find what they need.

So how about some combination of both? Help [FAQ], TextGarden [templates], TextBook [reference], etc., or some similar construct?

David_1cog · 2006-07-31 17:20:12

Agreed – changing the labels again is unnecessary and confusing.

Even the argument for newcomers is misplaced IMHO. How long does it take someone with average IQ points to associate TextBook with ‘user manual’, TextGarden with ‘templates’, etc.?

If the unwashed masses can cope with associating ‘Google’ with ‘search’, I’m sure the cognoscenti in this community can manage to tie together the proper name of resources with their function.

[I’m taking bets on this thread being closed as well ;)]

squaredeye · 2006-07-31 22:21:45

maybe giving the links title properties with their proprietary names would be a middle ground?

ie:
<a href="http://textpattern.net/" title="we call it the Textbook">Reference</a>

:)

marios · 2006-07-31 22:41:44

My 2 cents for changing it back as it was too.
It just confuses for no obvious reason.

(The custom work label is not that descriptive either )
Anyway honestly , it was better before.

regards, marios

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Destry · 2006-08-01 13:21:23

Reid has a good point, but the usability folks would tell you if you have to say it two ways (particularly where space is involved), then you’re not saying it right to begin with. If you didn’t want to stick with just “TextBook”, “TextGarden”, etc. then maybe at least go with labels that are more universally understood. For example, let’s put ourselves in the shoes of a person Reid speaks of (a newb) and consider the following:

textpattern.com instead of “Main Site” : A newb could easily think… Main site to what…the forum? With textpattern.com there’s absolutely no guess at all; and it sets the precedence for the rest of the links, which means you could probably drop that “Txp Network:” bit. (You could probably even drop the .com and just go with “Textpattern.”)
Weblog : Fine as is.
FAQ instead of “Help” : Everybody on the Web knows what “FAQ” means, and in fact that’s what it’s actually called. Sure, everybody on the Web knows what “Help” means too, but as it turns out many people avoid Help (thanks to experiences with complex Microsoft Help indexes) unless it’s a dead-last resort. Contrarily, newbs see “FAQ” and think Hey, jane/joe questions just like mine. Let’s have a look.)
Wiki instead of “Reference” : This could be apples and oranges (could also use “Manual”, “Docs”, …) but again, there’s no second guessing what wiki is suggesting. Conversely, “reference” could be interpreted a number of ways. Our newb might think what…a list of citations? Pfffft!
Resources instead of “Plugins” : I like this idea, I just wish action was put where the desire was. Until the Resources Site actually becomes strictly a plugins repository, I wouldn’t call it that.
Themes instead of “Styles and Templates” : Again, this is just a more precise label, and anyone who would care about them at all would know instantly what Themes meant.
Magazine : Fine as is.
Mail Lists : Fat trim.
Custom Work : Exactly. Here’s an example of the targeting done right. / * *newb arrives* */ TeamTextpattern What’s that? With custom work there’s no question at all about what they would expect to find information about.

In addition to providing more single-word labels, it also drops the character count from 98 to 72 (not counting spaces between labels). Small things add up.

OK, that’s 4 cents, but not a penny more. Swear.

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alexandra · 2006-08-01 13:56:24

Destry schrieb:

OK, that’s 4 cents, but not a penny more. Swear.

:)))

Why the talk at all? Some time ago people did think about good labes for the Wiki, template repository… the pluginsite. We found Textbook and Textgarden. All over the web people referr to Textbook or TXP Mag or Textgarden. They are destinct labels by now. And that is very, very good because this is good branding.

If people pick up YouTube, make videos and put them online and know what a YouTube Channel is, and millions do so, i honestly do not get why the talk here?

If peolpe made it to this forum they mostelikely know how to use a computer… Do we honestly think, newbies will not have the ability to associate Textbook with the Wiki?? We do talk about newbies to Textpattern not infantile adults.

Marys intention is very kind. If this was a forum for infants i would really say, this is a better labeling.

Mary · 2006-08-03 06:10:10

Sides? We have sides over the wording of one of two areas consisting of 10 links? I must say, you all continue to surprise.

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