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Re: [wiki] TextBook fixes for IE CSS
Destry wrote: OK, launchpad is started, but no file content yet.
It was my intention to put copies of the CSS at the location above, then it would be easy for anyone to change and comment on as needed. If you beat me to it, hakjoon, be my guest.
I like David’s approach for handling IE. I also like the subtle style changes: nav bg, header font, search box…all minimal but sharp. One thing we might keep in mind though is the overall page width. As it is now, certain pages scroll very wide at 800 × 600 because of oversized images, and the increased width of the nav column and the size of the tabs at top (8 tabs in all when logged in) might add to it.
Personally, I have no problem with horizontal scrolling in the wiki, and specifically because of the need for certain images, but it would be nice to keep it to a minimum. I guess the real question is do we care about 800 × 600 resolutions (?), because that’s really the only time it’s apparent.
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Re: [wiki] TextBook fixes for IE CSS
Destry
It may be worth waiting to post the CSS to ‘launchpad’ until I’m happy there are no ‘howlers’ in my revision.
Yeah, I noticed some cruft in the head. I’ll tidy up the obvious stuff when I package the template.
There’s a few more edges I’d like to polish – font sizes, padding / margins, IE consistency.
I don’t suppose there are many people here on 800×600, but I was going to suggest making Textbook fixed width anyway. My argument for that is legibility – it’s far easier to scan narrower rows of text than something that stretches across the screen. If some images push outside the boundary, we just live with it. What do you think?
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Re: [wiki] TextBook fixes for IE CSS
It may be worth waiting to post the CSS to ‘launchpad’ until I’m happy there are no ‘howlers’ in my revision.
No hurry on anything, as far as I’m concerned…except the content ;)
I was going to suggest making Textbook fixed width anyway. My argument for that is legibility – it’s far easier to scan narrower rows of text than something that stretches across the screen.
That’s certainly the best argument for fixed width, and I even considered fixed-width before, especially after seeing mozilla’s play on MediaWiki; but the problem in our case is that many of the articles are very long, even in liquid form, and like I mentioned before, there are some large images (for example, though these were not created very well, granted). Fixed width is just going to double or triple that in some cases, or not be practical at all. Long scrolling pages are just as much a usability problem as wide lines of text.
I use 15” screen at 1280 × 800, and it looks good to me as is, no different than the forum here. My vote would be to leave it as is, I don’t think a fixed width would vastly improve anything (on the contrary), and I rather like the full-screen look and feel. It works. More community opinions on the matter, of course, would be welcome.
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Re: [wiki] TextBook fixes for IE CSS
David_1cog wrote:
It may be worth waiting to post the CSS to ‘launchpad’ until I’m happy there are no ‘howlers’ in my revision.
Are you “happy” yet? ;)
I was more or less waiting for the nod. If so we’ll go ahead and implement them. (Full screen.) Send a copy of the files to me and hakjoon, and one of us will integrate them on the backend. Be sure to add yourself in the credits (head of the CSS files).
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Re: [wiki] TextBook fixes for IE CSS
… and I’d been waiting for hakjoon (“Would it be possible for you to send me the templates?”)! :)
I’ve had another look, made a few more tweaks. The most visible part of the latest tweaks are on the top tabs: index + content
I’m as happy as I’m going to get without having access to the templates. If any gremlins pop up, just let me know and I’ll fix them.
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Re: [wiki] TextBook fixes for IE CSS
David_1cog wrote:
… and I’d been waiting for hakjoon (“Would it be possible for you to send me the templates?”)! :)
Oops, my bad. Totally missed that. I’ll pull them together and get them to you.
Last edited by hakjoon (2006-03-08 17:50:55)
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Re: [wiki] TextBook fixes for IE CSS
I just did it.
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Re: [wiki] TextBook fixes for IE CSS
1cog,
I have your CSS mods and not a lot of time. I did plop them into TxB briefly to have a look, but the layout broke. From a quick glance it looked like it might have been width, paddings, and margins here and there, but I didn’t have time to analyze it enough to really know so I backpeddled until I can get more of it (time that is).
I’ll just make the changes as needed myself so we aren’t going back and forth with this like nut jobs. I’ll keep all of your styling and you can keep me honest when the changes are made. One thing that really bothers me with the current layout is the fact that the logo and search elements are in different z-indexes, absolutely positioned, and not in logical flow. I didn’t check if you changed that or not, but that would be an additional thing to modify; especially since we are not catering to every browser under the sun anymore.
Anyway, sorry for the delay, many things going on at the moment; but soon.
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Re: [wiki] TextBook fixes for IE CSS
Destry
All z-indexes have been removed, just one absolute positioned element (search form). I’ve changed the template to be more semantic and removed a lot of unnecessary < div >s, etc..
The CSS has gone from total 30KB to 13KB and all hacks removed. There’s probably room for more refinement, but without the Textbook data I couldn’t be certain of some changes.
If you need to throw any problems at me to fix, feel free.
Last edited by David_1cog (2006-03-27 00:50:00)
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Re: [wiki] TextBook fixes for IE CSS
Just wanted to say that the latest CSS changes are a real improvement for the TextBook (very TXPish). Like it :)
I’m not a big fan of that reading guy in the title and this fading red-orange thing on the main page but that’s purely a matter of taste.
So thank you for your work and all the time you invest in this project.
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Re: [wiki] TextBook fixes for IE CSS
Thanks, Skubidu. :) Comparatively I’ve invested very little time compared to [insert very long list of names], but happy to give a little back.
I agree with the red/orange home page gradient, although I think it worked OK with the previous colour scheme. I’ve changed it after discussing with Destry. Better?! :)
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Re: [wiki] TextBook fixes for IE CSS
David,
the wiki has lost it’s red link functionality for indicating when a new page is targeted for development. Probobly got bumped in the redo of the CSS…can you get that back for us. I know it’s not brown and all, but I think this is a very important function of the wiki and should be regained. Personally, I’m quite lost without it.
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