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#349 2021-09-10 11:36:14

Bloke
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Re: Corona virus

Destry wrote #331524:

Can’t help myself.

Haha. Highly entertaining. Very well researched too, apart from the bit about not having the jab meaning you’ll pass it onto someone who might die. The jab doesn’t stop anyone catching it, nor transmitting any strain. Just sayin’.

I’m not going to counter. Instead, I’ll let Christian Elliot raise a few many questions and inconsistencies I’d love answered.


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#350 2021-09-10 13:19:36

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Re: Corona virus

Bloke wrote #331552:

I’ll let Christian Elliot raise a few many questions and inconsistencies I’d love answered.

While I share many of his doubts, some of the conclusions look biased:

only 6% of the deaths being attributed to covid are instances where covid seems to be the only issue at hand.

In other words, reduce the death numbers you see on the news by 94% and you have what is likely the real numbers of deaths from just covid.

What is death from just covid? Shouldn’t we worry if a certificate mentions both covid and respiratory failure? Or covid and influenza/pneumonia?

Pro and anti vax seem equally unconvincing. Lies, big lies and statistics.

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#351 2021-09-10 14:50:47

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Re: Corona virus

etc wrote #331555:

Pro and anti vax seem equally unconvincing. Lies, big lies and statistics.

That’s the only truth!


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#352 2021-09-11 11:16:12

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Re: Corona virus

etc wrote #331555:

What is death from just covid? Shouldn’t we worry if a certificate mentions both covid and respiratory failure? Or covid and influenza/pneumonia?

If a Corona is a virus, one of millions we have, you are right. But Covid is officially considered a separate coronavirus disease, so Christian is right.

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#353 2021-09-11 13:02:56

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Re: Corona virus

Vienuolis wrote #331561:

If a Corona is a virus, one of millions we have, you are right. But Covid is officially considered a separate coronavirus disease, so Christian is right.

I leave it with Christian, but if he considers, say, death from fluid loss as a separate case, Ebola becomes a rather inoffensive disease. I’m not defending the mandatory covid vaccination in any way, just saying some arguments look unfair.

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#354 2021-09-11 18:15:38

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Re: Corona virus

Here’s a convincing, scientific analysis that I don’t think is anywhere unfair. You may think otherwise of course:-) It’s quite long but it is science all the way through so I hope you read it all. (Published today)

Why Covid-19 Vaccine Mandates Are Now Pointless/ Nina Pierpont, MD, PhD


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#355 2021-09-11 21:28:27

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zero wrote #331569:

Here’s a convincing, scientific analysis that I don’t think is anywhere unfair. You may think otherwise of course:-) It’s quite long but it is science all the way through so I hope you read it all. (Published today)

Why Covid-19 Vaccine Mandates Are Now Pointless/ Nina Pierpont, MD, PhD

Thank you. This looks fair and confirms that provax partisans use unfair arguments as much as antivax do. Who should we believe? On one hand,

Vaccination has protected against severe disease and death with all the other variants, and may well do the same with the Delta variant.

On the other hand,

the principal reason for COVID-19 vaccine mandates—protecting others from infection—has evaporated with the ascendance of the Delta variant

Vax old dogs, leave the kids alone looks like a consensus.

A funny thing is that www.google.com/search?q=Nina+Pierpont+Why+Covid-19+Vaccine+Mandates+Are+Now+Pointless returned no result for me (other SE did). There is also no mention of this study on her site.

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#356 2021-09-12 13:41:44

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Re: Corona virus

etc wrote #331571:

A funny thing is that www.google.com/search?q=Nina+Pierpont+Why+Covid-19+Vaccine+Mandates+Are+Now+Pointless returned no result for me (other SE did). There is also no mention of this study on her site.

Thanks for pointing that out. I can’t find this study elsewhere either. The references at the bottom of the article are there but I’d have to go through them all to analyse and draw conclusions and see if they match Pierpont’s. That’s a lot of hard work I’m not willing to do.

I notice that some studies referred to are pre-prints so I think maybe Pierpont has given Meryl Nass a preview of her study and allowed her to print it prior to it being published or peer-reviewed. I trust Meryl Nass, having read many of her articles, but that’s subjective and unscientific and therefore unfair and unconvincing to those who want undisputable facts.

EDIT: I just found this Pierpont PDF

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