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#11 2019-09-23 13:42:15

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Re: Not All Doom And Gloom

phiw13 wrote #319369:

That smells a wee bit too much of a professional PR shot (framing and everything)

Seems after she sat down and posted on Instagram and Twitter, journos came along. So it’s conceivable that one of them took that shot, hence the framing you reference. Unfortunately I can’t find the original source.


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#12 2019-09-23 15:01:57

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Re: Not All Doom And Gloom

Not to slight Thunberg — what she has done and accomplished is extremely brave and nothing short of miraculous — but what’s often overlooked there is the celebrity of her parents, which quite likely helped boost the attention she got in local press, initially. Especially her author/actor father (son of another well known actor/director in Sweden) who takes a very active but quiet role in her PR and schedule management. Not unlike managing a pop star, I guess. I’m sure everything about her, from Wikipedia to socmed channels is carefully considered. I stand corrected, per Bloke’s link. I’m actually looking forward to the documentary that was filmed (is being filmed) of her ocean voyage and current North American tour. Regardless, she has become a momentum in her own right and I suspect will be a political leader in some capacity in the future. First president of the world?*

But I’d like to share another documentary, if I may, of Paul Kingsnorth, because if you watch it (about 50 minutes and well done), you’ll have a much better idea of what my outlook on the future is, because it’s pretty much on the line with Kingsnorth’s.

The Battle Against Climate Change

A relevant quote from Paul at 6’30” in response to a question about it all being depressing:

It’s difficult, isn’t it, to look at the state of the world and not be depressed about it sometimes, or unhappy. You can’t honestly look at the state of things and not feel unhappy. Some of the most despairing people I’ve ever met have been climate scientists, because they know what’s really going on. So if you’re not unhappy, or worried, or depressed about it, at least part of the time, then you’re not paying attention. But you can’t live in that space all the time. You have to get on with your life. But, yeah, it’s a difficult time to be a human, because we know what’s happening, and we know how little is possible to do about it.

But do try and watch the whole thing. He invites us to his home and family and what they’re doing in response to the crisis; how they’re finding their path together. He’s a pessimist, for sure, and with learned reason, but you nevertheless walk away from this feeling better. He just has that knack of communicating it.

* ‘It’s difficult to coordinate the planet when nobody is in charge.’ – paraphrasing the CIA rep in First Contact


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#13 2019-09-23 16:43:39

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Re: Not All Doom And Gloom

For those who don’t read the news, here’s Greta Thunberg speaking today at the UN


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#14 2019-09-23 17:57:28

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Re: Not All Doom And Gloom

zero wrote #319375:

For those who don’t read the news, here’s Greta Thunberg speaking today at the UN

She sure knows how to Speak Truth to Power! A fearless activist!


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#15 2019-09-23 18:56:34

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bici wrote #319376:

She sure knows how to Speak Truth to Power! A fearless activist!

Yes, full of emotion and the power of love. I’ve just watched the Paul Kingsnorth documentary (thanks for the link, Destry, well worth watching, he’s really sussed) and am struck by his simple but really close connection with nature which must be what drove him to be so active, imho. He is in awe of nature and this planet. And many activists are similarly inspired by the same bond with life, but also are retiring gradually from the front of the action, becoming more reflective, and probably wondering why so many human beings simply “don’t get it”. A similar passion and connection shines out of Greta and I hope she can make some great positive changes before the bastards grind her down too.

I also just read a different perspective on climate change by some Cypriot scientists that’s both confused me but also gave me yet more hope. And that’s also brought this beautiful song to mind too – Speck of Gold


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#16 2019-09-23 23:46:03

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zero wrote #319380:

I also just read a different perspective on climate change

Interesting indeed, thank you. I skimmed it and it seems thorough, even being nearly ten years old. But I’m not a scientist.

I fully expect that emissions and our meddling are only part of the problem. Perhaps the temperature rises and climate instability we are witnessing are caused by variations in solar activity, but the effects are exacerbated by the concentration of Greenhouse gases and absorption levels due to our unethical and unsustainable way of life?

Time of course will tell. But I still think that if we can reduce our emissions as aggressively as we can, we stand a fighting chance of surviving or at least coping with whatever radiation is thrown our way from the sun. And cutting back on deforestation (e.g. stop producing/buying fricking newspapers that tell us what to think about what happened yesterday!) will help slow the extinction rate of other species we are massacring at an alarming rate, some or all of which will also have an effect on the global temperature.

If we can combine that with finding better ways to manage food production without over-reliance on pesticides, along with revamping laws to curb the ridiculous amount of food wastage that occurs, things might improve for our species and whole host of others on this planet we call home.


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#17 2019-09-24 10:37:01

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Re: Not All Doom And Gloom

zero wrote #319380:

I also just read a different perspective on climate change by some Cypriot scientists that’s both confused me but also gave me yet more hope. And that’s also brought this beautiful song to mind too – Speck of Gold

That was before the gammons took over the world. With the USA, Brazil, and the UK opting out of their responsibilities but also increasing both the CO2 emissions and expanding the fossil fuel extraction locations. The Cypriot government is also guilty as they are currently fracking for natural gas but also re-opening the copper mines in order to re-establish the country as one of the world suppliers. The mining of copper heavylly pollutes the underground waters but also eventually the sea. Copper is now sought after as electric cars use 60% more of it than the normal ones.

I would highly recommend reading Jussi Parikka’s, A Geology of Media, which concentrates on the environmental pollution by our media technologies. Here’s a short quote from the book to get you engaged.

Humans leave their mark, and the earth carries it forward as an archive.


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#18 2019-09-24 12:05:11

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@ Bloke –

Yes I know she refutes it. Nevertheless, there is lots of troubling relationships, manipulation, etc. — most behind her back, though. On the other hand, she lost me with a her NY trip on an exclusive sailing yacht, financed by rather dubious interests behind the house of Grimaldi.

Watching the show the past few days, it is depressing to see how we went from the Kyoto protocol, downscaled under the enlightened guidance of the Obama-Clinton duo at the Copenhagen summit, and since further eroded to just … nothing ? The latest German plan, which is similar to what France’ Micron already has tried to put in place, would essentially amount to wealth transfer from the poor to the rich (an “eco-tax” on oil and gas consumption, which strongly negatively affect the less fortunate – see one of the triggers for Gilets Jaunes in France) .

@ colak – re Cyprus and copper

Is there that much left ? I was under the impression that it was mostly depleted. My information is certainly not recent, though. And yeah, gas, both through fracking and off-shore <sigh />.

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#19 2019-09-24 12:17:43

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Piers Corbyn has the Weather Action website (Wow! What a design!) and neither he nor his brother Jeremy (leader of the UK main opposition party [Edit: but who does not deny Climate Change /edit]) do themselves any favours in their presentation of what they stand for. But I respect and admire Jeremy as a man of principle which is extremely rare amongst politicians, so perhaps Piers is similarly sincere in his stance on climate change – but I haven’t yet got past the awful design enough yet to find out :-(

It’s possible, however, that the increasingly popular Climate Change narrative is a bandwagon created by the powerful. But (like all of you?) I don’t think that should stop us doing our best for the environment. But what is best will probably change when we get more accurate facts. It’s sad that scientists (the word derives from to know) are taking sides, or allowing themselves to be pushed into taking sides, rather than passing on their true findings without outside influence, particularly from gammons (nice word, Yiannis).

What is the real truth behind 5G, smartmeters, chemtrails, vaccines etc? If the world is not up in arms about them, does that mean they are more conspiracy theories? Just how much is the media (social and otherwise) being manipulated to suppress all voices opposed to what the ruling powers want us to believe?

The thought crossed my mind earlier that the media for me is everything and everybody. You are all collecting and delivering information (increasingly so in this information age) and I am in the habit of receiving it from many more sources than I used to. I have enough media without TV or social media and I more regularly need to get away from it to recover and centre myself than I used to. So your recommendation of A Geology of Media was well-timed Yiannis, and I trust it will help my information overload rather than hinder it.

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#20 2019-09-24 12:31:23

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michaelkpate wrote #319368:

What about people who only have $990,000? Is there a sliding scale of wickedness?

You’re right of course and my stats amount to nothing because we all have good and bad within us and it can be easily be pointed out that the poorest people are the ones committing more crimes, not bringing their children up properly or being part of the problem because of lack of education. But I need hope and there are times for all of us when hope is all we have. And when nothing is clear and we are hit by another argument that sends us spinning, I think we all fall back on personal experience. My personal experience is that 99% of the people I’ve met in my life have come across as good people. So I suppose I’ve used those stats to back up my personal beliefs and perhaps spread a little hope.


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