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#31 2018-07-01 18:10:48

Destry
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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

It needs to be said, if you use social media at all, and only centralized social media like offered by the usual criminals, then you are only getting half of society’s message, the bad half, and enabling it.

At the very least, have an account in the federated side too and make an effort to use it, check in, observe, so you can keep abreast of the resistance side of social society too. (And appreciate the ?% ad-free experience.)

After you do that a while, and it won’t take long, you’ll see there’s a whole different online community that is waking up and making change. Instead of learning about developments second-hand, you can learn direct from the source as history happens.

With any luck you’ll be quitting those centralized exploitation platforms before you know it and be a real bandito!


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#32 2018-07-01 18:18:14

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Hi Destry and Michael, I apologise for sometimes appearing very hard headed. It comes from reading far too many scary academic articles regarding the changes to our daily lives and the future of the net. I admittedly vent a lot of these frustrations in my on and off line conversations recently. It is never meant as a personal attack but as a possibly hopeless effort to distil my thoughts.

Thanks for Quant by the way, looks very fast and my queries return a lot of what I look for.

Can you recommend some YT instances?


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#33 2018-07-01 21:21:33

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

This is the running list of PeerTube instances

I haven’t sifted through them yet. I’ll have to leave that to you.

Just as a reminder/refresher about how federation works. It’s not so much about picking an instance for subject, because videos all federate anyway, that’s why you see the same videos across instances. The thing to consider when choosing are things like whether it’s open to new accounts, how many videos are already hosted (more means bigger server requirements), and in relation, how good the admin support seems.

And supporting good admins via Liberepay or Patreon, when admins make these available is not a bad thing. If you don’t want to support, then definitely spread your eggs around to different instances and accept the fact that a decentralized existance is one of never getting comfortable for too long on one server.

Obviously you have to explore a bit. But that’s the beauty of decentralization. You can spread yourself around. Find what you like; what works for you or what doesn’t.

Eventually you might have your own instance — the ideal goal — which you can open up to others, or a limited few, or just keep for yourself. It’s all good. The more instances serving the federverse, the better.


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#34 2018-07-01 22:54:11

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

colak wrote #312792:

I apologise for sometimes appearing very hard headed . . .

No apology necessary. Your frustration is valid. It’s good that scientists understand. People of all backgrounds in the fediverse understand too. Be happier knowing your not alone.

Don’t believe this cow shiza. That’s Silly Con Valley propaganda. Bob Mottram (one to follow in the fedi) says it best :

TL;DR Industry insiders aren’t going to save anyone from anything. Tweaking around with “screen time” or interface design or adding extra “street cred” from a younger generation doesn’t address any of the real problems with Sillicon Valley.

If any of these rich morons were actually sincere they would have to abandon their business models and start again with federated and distributed systems with no data concentration. But of course they’re not going to do that.

If change comes at all, it will come from outside SV, not within it, and it must come from people like us saying ‘I won’t use your shit anymore’, and helping others to see the light.


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#35 2018-07-02 17:24:02

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

This article, with its stupid title and windy delivery, is a little too glorifying of TBL, but it does finally say some useful things in the last paras about decentralization and drops important project names.

I’m skeptical TBL and his Solid standard are going to save the day. But it’s definitely eye-catching propaganda for the right (left) side; useful for putting the resistance word on the wind.

Why he’s not in Masto, though, instead of the very platforms he complains about, I don’t know. That’s the double-standard I see with a lot of people right now, what separates the real resistance from the corporate/money-minded. The web-2.0-as-usual crowd.

I also don’t like that mention of VC interest in decentralization, if I understood that correctly. But at least it suggests decentralization is becoming important enough to make the capitalist assholes wake up and pay attention.

The ‘War of the Web’ has begun! (I might write that article.)


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#36 2018-07-02 23:47:11

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Destry wrote #312812:

Why he’s not in Masto, though, instead of the very platforms he complains about, I don’t know.

He definitely does seem to be falling short of using only decentralized software.

“I dumped a little code I had for doing things with email messages,” Berners-Lee typed one afternoon this spring, as he posted some code in a chat room on Gitter, an open platform frequented by coders to collaborate on ideas.

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#37 2018-07-03 00:01:05

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

colak wrote #312792:

Hi Destry and Michael, I apologise for sometimes appearing very hard headed. It comes from reading far too many scary academic articles regarding the changes to our daily lives and the future of the net. I admittedly vent a lot of these frustrations in my on and off line conversations recently. It is never meant as a personal attack but as a possibly hopeless effort to distil my thoughts.

No need to apologize to me. Two things:

1) I care about privacy just like everyone else. There are lots of things I would never post online. But I don’t worry about the stuff I do post online. If I am putting my name on it, I will stand by it. And if I don’t any longer, I don’t mind saying that either.

2) I am firmly in the Googleverse. Google Fi is my cell provider for my Google Pixel XL running Android. I subscribe to YouTube Premium and Google Play Music. I back up my personal files to Google Drive. I’ve used GMail as my primary email service since 2004. I am typing this in Google Chrome. Now none of that means I won’t call Google out when I think they do something evil and/or stupid but overall I have been pretty happy with them. I remember blogging about the anti-Google backlash back when in 1984 – a lot of it back then was Microsoft Astroturf – and I am still not particularly bothered by most of it.

I fully support you guys in your search for workable alternatives. I’ve played around with some of them and look forward to doing so in the future. But I don’t see Facebook and Amazon as inherently evil… just Twitter. :)

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#38 2018-07-03 09:30:43

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

If, like Lemmy Kilmister, you know that chainsmoking and drinking Jack and Cokes all day long is bad for you (and to a certain degree others, while being great for Phillip Morris, Brown-Forman, and Coca-Cola) but do it anyway, that’s one thing. You made the choice knowing the risks, presumably. Nobody can really interfere.

But if you’re one of the billions of others who have no clue about such things and just follow the other lemmings off the cliff, that’s a big problem for society and the environment. That needs to be dealt with. That’s ripe for intervention.

michaelkpate wrote #312817:

I don’t see Facebook . . . as inherently evil…

I guess even the Kilmisters of the world can be wrong. ;)

Zuke basically got his start stealing the project. It’s been swindling and deceptive psychological manipualtion ever since. Pretty inherent.

Just as critical, it has become a place for others to do evil too. But I won’t recycle all the links we know about already.

Lucky for Zuke this isn’t 1790; he’d already be headless. I imagine all the other billionaires too. Maybe that’s the kind of revolution we’re due for. ;)


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#39 2018-07-03 13:01:58

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Destry wrote #312823:

Just as critical, it has become a place for others to do evil too. But I won’t recycle all the links we know about already.

My Facebook feed this morning

1. My cousin posting a photo

2. Another cousin posting some photos

3. My brother posting a political cartoon about the Supreme Court Vacancy

4. Another cousin posting some photos

5. A 15-year-old friend of mine posting about Rocket League

6. An online friend posting about the Racist History of Chinese Restaurants

7. A coworker posting about the 25th Anniversary of Ninja Scroll

8. Another cousin posting a photo

9. One of my best friends from growing up posting about the Lakers signing Lebron James

10. A podcaster/entrepreneur I follow posting photos of his new office space

I read about how terrible Facebook is but I never experience it personally.

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#40 2018-07-03 16:51:37

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Yep. I hear you. I have a bunch in my circles too; family, acquaintences, peers, etc. Those are the lemmings I’m referring to. People who don’t get it or don’t care anyway.

And FB doesn’t want the ‘evil’ to be evident, of couse. Nor that the lemmings even be hurt, per se. Just that they’re there and dutifully exploitable, drinking the Soma milk. Giving up their key words and behaviours so a slough of advertising can be filtered their way to make them click/share/buy impulsively, thus make the multibillionaire and his cronies even richer. It’s not a good balance. The perceived benefit is just that, a perception FB makes you think is there. FB is really the one benefitting.

But you know about Cambridge Analytica, Michael, and the exploitation of the platform around that and tipping elections. Russian meddling, etc. So you have seen it, even if you’re forgetting or dancing around it — or supporting it. ;) Zuke has been in hearings around the world. It may not be visible to the lemmings, and his well-paid, crack-squad lawyer army are good at white-washing, but it’s visible to those who can read between the lines.

In any case, I’m not trying to change your mind. I know I can’t.

But for those of you following along: FB, Google, and so on are not innocent, honest, or sincere. You wouldn’t trust a person on the street like that. Why trust a massive corporation who can do more harm?


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