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#541 2019-08-01 14:10:27
- uli
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Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
I was wrong re device/day, I first saw it two days before on a desktop Mac, while yesterday I was only calling the page from my Android phone. But here’s the difference between the two in one picture:
I once received an email with a thumb up emoji, and on my device, in my font size, it looked like a yellow pile of dog poo to me. Ever since I hesitate to accept the emotion from an emoji.
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#542 2019-08-01 15:09:07
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
phiw13 wrote #318906:
Uh ? and sorry, collateral damage is definitely not intended.
No damage, certainly no apology – I’m in the trough of a functional depression episode and getting buried in work. You essentially managed to put four words together in the right order that hit the proverbial nail right on the head and provided some much-needed clarity. So, thank you — genuinely.
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#543 2019-08-01 21:54:48
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
uli wrote #318930:
I was wrong re device/day, I first saw it two days before on a desktop Mac, while yesterday I was only calling the page from my Android phone. But here’s the difference between the two in one picture:
oh, the android one looks definitely less bad, in this case.
The original emoji, as used on the Japanese 携帯電話 (the original flip phones™), where lovely pixel art. Since then, no so much anymore. Silicon Valley put their grubby hands on and not much is left. It is a total failure as a communication tool, in my book.
Where is that emoji for a solar powered submarine when you need it ?
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#544 2019-08-01 21:57:44
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
gaekwad wrote #318931:
No damage, certainly no apology – I’m in the trough of a functional depression episode and getting buried in work. You essentially managed to put four words together in the right order that hit the proverbial nail right on the head and provided some much-needed clarity. So, thank you — genuinely.
:-(. がんばって.
If it helps, it is 7AM, the sun is already warm and the insects are singing (mii miii miiiii). looks like a nice summer day. enjoy.
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#545 2019-08-02 07:37:03
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
phiw13 wrote #318933:
:-(. がんばって.
If it helps, it is 7AM, the sun is already warm and the insects are singing (mii miii miiiii). looks like a nice summer day. enjoy.
Thank you. Sending warm wishes from the UK, Philippe-san.
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#546 2019-08-06 15:33:24
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
Saw this on Hackers News:
Social Share Privacy is a jQuery plugin that lets you add social share buttons to your website that don’t allow the social sites to track your users. The buttons are first disabled and a user needs to click them to enable them. So in order to e.g. like a site on facebook with these social share buttons a user needs to click two times. But in return for this extra click a user can only be tracked by this third party sites when he decides to enable the buttons. Using the settings menu a user can also permanently enable a social share button.
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#547 2019-08-06 16:11:15
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
i am awaiting an Anti Social Button.
These buttons will pretend to do something, but actually sends all clicks to hades.
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#548 2019-08-06 16:12:37
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
ps
SNGoogle is having another go at killing off the displaying of https and www in the URL bar of upcoming versions of Chrome, despite protests from users.
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#549 2019-08-06 21:20:27
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
In reply to michaelkpate #318973:
Social share privacy jquery plugin … a user needs to click two times
Yes, that’s what the same publishers as Shariff used to have previously. With the jQuery plugin, the user must first click to permit the social media site access. Shariff instead prefetches the data and then includes it without exposing the visitor until they decide to actively visit the social media site.
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#550 2019-12-09 15:28:52
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
2006
Many Internet users have no idea that records of their actions are being collected and used. They might find out about these practices only if they read the fine print of Web site privacy policies. But AOL’s release of search data has already led some privacy advocates and legislators to call for new limits on how Web sites and advertisers keep and use information about online behavior. – Marketers Trace Paths Users Leave on Internet
2019
The European Commission has sent detailed questionnaires to news publishers as it tries to understand whether the way Google collects data from their websites allows it to stifle competition in online advertising. The questionnaire, seen by the Financial Times, asks news publishers to explain how Google tracks user activity and browsing data from their sites in order to subsequently personalise adverts. – Brussels asks news groups to describe their data deals with Google
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#551 2020-04-27 12:30:14
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Europe’s rules have been a victim of a lack of enforcement, poor funding, limited staff resources and stalling tactics by the tech companies, according to budget and staffing figures and interviews with government officials. Even some of the law’s biggest supporters are frustrated with how it has worked. – Europe’s Privacy Law Hasn’t Shown Its Teeth, Frustrating Advocates
It will be interesting seeing how Google, Apple et al are regulated under GDPR while they are supplying the information for Contact Tracing.
Germany’s reversal brings it into line with a proposal by Apple and Google, who said this month they would develop new tools to support decentralised contact tracing. In Europe, France and Britain still back centralisation. Centralised apps would not work properly on Apple’s iPhone because, for Bluetooth exchanges to happen, the device would need to be unlocked with the app running in the foreground – a drain on the battery and an inconvenience to the user. – Germany flips to Apple-Google approach on smartphone contact tracing
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#552 2020-04-27 13:06:13
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
michaelkpate wrote #322720:
It will be interesting seeing how Google, Apple et al are regulated under GDPR while they are supplying the information for Contact Tracing.
The local reporting has been that data protection agencies and advocates (chaos computer club etc.) see apple + google’s method as being preferable as it doesn’t provide governments with data. The initial app proposal would have availed the government with data on people and movement patterns, but was hampered additionally by the problem that the app had to be on and in the foreground to work.
Presumably, though, there’ll still be some statistical data and people who have (had) coronavirus would have to register / signal that in some way, and there must be a tracing algorithm to identify patterns of exposure / chains of infection. I haven’t read up in any detail on the data that will be stored and how.
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#553 2020-07-06 21:37:48
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
i am so sick of Google’s butt ugly UI to their Analytics that i decided to try out something else. For the past two weeks i have been using Matomo Analytics. A much cleaner UI and great reports. They even send weekly emails with a full report. cool.
Now i really don’t have much use for Web Analytics as i really don’t give a arts ass on visits my sites. But our organization wanted to get some reports as we have low readership and I initially used GA, but I am now going to switch away from GA.
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#554 2020-07-07 05:47:31
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
bici wrote #324324:
i am so sick of Google’s butt ugly UI to their Analytics that i decided to try out something else. For the past two weeks i have been using Matomo Analytics. A much cleaner UI and great reports. They even send weekly emails with a full report. cool.
Pete has some time ago recommended a non tracking analytics software which can be installed without GDPR warning.
I’m trying to find the post but I can’t. The good thing with piwik/matomo is their banned lists which excludes spam referrers from the visits. I used to use it but deleted it a few months ago as it needed updating at least once a week. The process was automatic but I just stopped trusting it. Having said that we used to have a plugin for it.
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#555 2020-07-07 06:32:08
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
colak wrote #324326:
Pete has some time ago recommended a non tracking analytics software which can be installed without GDPR warning.
We talked about it in the txp jitsi meet-up.
I think Pete mentioned AWstats or your own server’s system as a means of visually evaluating your server logs. Note: you need to set your server logs to collect anonymised data if you want to avoid displaying a GDPR consent notice. There are probably other similar logfile visualiser systems, too.
There’s also:
- Fathom
- Plausible
- simpleanalytics, which I’ve started using
They’ll all paid, although Fathom has an open-source Lite variant, which it turns out is a separate thing with an entirely different codebase and even programming language. As such it is not being kept up to date much. I had no luck in installing it either: it ran but aborted as soon as it started logging (others had the same issue, still unresolved). The open source variant uses a cookie, the paid version doesn’t.
Plausible is new to me. I hadn’t seen that when I was looking for alternatives, so I can’t say anything about that.
Simpleanalytics is simple but gives you a few options. You can use one account for multiple sites, share the overview with clients, you can include their javascript from your own server to avoid it being blanket blocked, and you can track custom events to find out if certain buttons, options etc. are clicked, but it doesn’t give you the conversions analytics of GA (which you generally don’t need unless you’re running a webshop). If you do like the look of simple analytics, I’d really appreciate a signup via my affiliate link. It gives you an extended 30-day trial period and me another 30 days free if you decide to sign up. The annual fee is half the monthly fee, so okay if you have several low traffic sites you’d like to know visitors stats of.
A benefit of systems that do not require a cookie or similar storage is that you do not need to ask for consent because you’re not collecting any personally identifiable data. As a results your stats are more meaningful because your analytics data includes all visitors, not just those who give you consent.
EDIT: * Someone else mentioned goatcounter as an open-source variant.
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