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#391 2018-06-09 00:53:48
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
colak wrote #312470:
So, as I understand it gdprhallofshame.com should include their own site in the list?
Depends. Is the site a business or concerned with commerce at all? If not, it doesn’t have to comply.
I don’t understand the weird statement about Raygun in the About info, though. If he’s getting sponsor money through the site, then he might need to comply, yes.
I find the about page a little pretentious, in fact.
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#392 2018-06-11 04:54:52
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
michaelkpate wrote #311894:
This article admits that no one knows anything.
I actually looked into geolocation technology a few weeks ago in order to see if I could come up with a way to block anyone from an EU country as a proof of concept.
I came across this script which might be good if it was developed into a txp plugin so as to load the cookie warnings only in the EU. Something like
<txp:xxx_if_eu>
<txp:oui_cookie name="accept" values="yes" />
<txp:oui_if_cookie name="accept">
track
<txp:else />
warning
</txp:oui_if_cookie>
<txp:else />
track
</txp:xxx_if_eu>Yiannis
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#393 2018-06-11 12:26:38
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
colak wrote #312500:
I came across this script which might be good if it was developed into a txp plugin so as to load the cookie warnings only in the EU.
Unfortunately, that doesn’t actually comply with the law.
And it won’t work (Like any kind of blocking), because GDPR doesn’t affect connections from Europe but connections from users having European citizenship, so even someone living in USA but having EU citizenship will be affected by GDPR. – Twitter
I can’t wait for the EU to fine a company for sending cookies to someone like Peter Bright. Peter is a naturalized US citizen, which required him to renounce his UK citizenship to get, but he mentioned once that it wasn’t actually recognized by the UK so he is still covered by GDPR.
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#394 2018-06-12 13:44:29
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
A very provocative example of how EU laws are made just to create jobs for lawyers. The page of the European Council, one of the main legislating institutions of the EU, serves 20 cookies without the visitors’ consent! Even if we consider GDPR as a new thing, the cookie law, has been around for some time. I guess some animals are more equal than others.
Yiannis
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#395 2018-06-12 14:35:46
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
colak wrote #312532:
serves 20 cookies without the visitors’ consent!
I am getting different results in Firefox.
Go to the site. Check: 4 cookies. Decline and get taken to the Cookie page. Still 4.
Reload. Hit Accept. 5 cookies now. Go back to the home page. Reload. Still 5.
I wonder if they do things different depending on whether you are in the EU?
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#396 2018-06-12 15:44:46
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
michaelkpate wrote #312533:
I am getting different results in Firefox.
Go to the site. Check: 4 cookies. Decline and get taken to the Cookie page. Still 4.
Reload. Hit Accept. 5 cookies now. Go back to the home page. Reload. Still 5.
I wonder if they do things different depending on whether you are in the EU?
They might be serving different cookies depending on location. I just checked the page with Opera VPN (Americas) and got served 17 cookies.
- cdnjs.cloudflare.com
- analytics.council-tvnewsroom.eu
- static.council-tvnewsroom.eu
- ssl.google-analytics.com
- www.google-analytics.com
- ajax.googleapis.com
- www.googletagmanager.com
- 443d27e11a58a8213c23-cce49c1ac3bc3a94bf10f1cd2f71c573.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com
- 9473ad3ea11b29681679-f016b9572ff77a84c11597148be206c7.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com
- c71e283419c99084e2f1-84bb3e6572a8478bcb83f2e5fe3f9c9e.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com
- dadfc20f9dc98898440c-a75424f262e53e74f9539145894f4378.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com
- ssl.siteimprove.com
- abs.twimg.com
- pbs.twimg.com
- cdn.syndication.twimg.com
- platform.twitter.com
- syndication.twitter.com
Regardless of the number, they should not be serving any without our consent!
Yiannis
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#397 2018-06-12 16:51:52
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
In order to not get served cookies, you kind of have to set a cookie (or use localstorage). But only one. This one didn’t appear until after I made a choice.
Name eu.notification.cookie
Value 1
Host www.consilium.europa.eu
Path /
Expires Wed, 12 Jun 2019 14:31:48 GMT
Secure No
HttpOnly No
This is the other one I am getting that you didn’t list. It appeared as soon as I visited the site.
Name nmstat
Value 1528813622054
Host .www.consilium.europa.eu
Path /
Expires Mon, 08 Mar 2021 14:27:00 GMT
Secure No
HttpOnly No
More Research:
This cookie name is associated with the website analytics service provided by SiteImprove. It enables site owners to gather usage statistics about their websites. I went to http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/ and they do the same thing.
If the governments in the EU can’t get GDPR right, it kind of makes it hard for them to take the moral high ground.
Even More Research:
“You accept the use of cookies by continuing to browse the site or closing this banner.” from https://go.siteimprove.com/website-check-demo-ppc-us
A perfect example of how not to implement GDPR as this is supposed to be a clear violation.
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#398 2018-06-13 05:17:35
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
belfastcity served me 12 cookies
Here are the 20 cookies from EU council on ff visiting from Cyprus
- cdnjs.cloudflare.com
- analytics.council-tvnewsroom.eu
- static.council-tvnewsroom.eu
- stats.g.doubleclick.net
- ssl.google-analytics.com
- www.google-analytics.com
- ajax.googleapis.com
- fonts.googleapis.com
- www.googletagmanager.com
- fonts.gstatic.com
- 443d27e11a58a8213c23-cce49c1ac3bc3a94bf10f1cd2f71c573.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com
- 9473ad3ea11b29681679-f016b9572ff77a84c11597148be206c7.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com
- c71e283419c99084e2f1-84bb3e6572a8478bcb83f2e5fe3f9c9e.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com
- dadfc20f9dc98898440c-a75424f262e53e74f9539145894f4378.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com
- ssl.siteimprove.com
- abs.twimg.com
- pbs.twimg.com
- cdn.syndication.twimg.com
- platform.twitter.com
- syndication.twitter.com
Yiannis
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#399 2018-06-13 05:19:40
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
The central governments sites of EU member States and the number of cookies they serve without our consent.
| Country | URL | Cookies Served |
|---|---|---|
| Austria | https://www.federal-chancellery.gv.at/ | 2 |
| Belgium | https://www.belgium.be/en | 5 |
| Bulgaria | http://www.gov.bg/en | 1 |
| Croatia | https://vlada.gov.hr/en | 2 |
| Cyprus | http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/ | 9 |
| Czech Republic | https://www.vlada.cz/en/ | 2 |
| Denmark | http://denmark.dk/ | 11 |
| Estonia | https://www.valitsus.ee/en | 6 |
| Finland | http://valtioneuvosto.fi/ | 3 |
| France | https://www.gouvernement.fr/ | 3 |
| Germany | https://www.bundesregierung.de/ | 1 |
| Greece | https://www.hellenicparliament.gr/ | 2 |
| Hungary | http://www.kormany.hu/ | 11 |
| Ireland | http://www.gov.ie/ | 3 |
| Italy | http://www.governo.it/ | 3 |
| Latvia | http://www.mk.gov.lv/ | 4 |
| Lithuania | https://lrv.lt/en | 4 |
| Luxembourg | https://gouvernement.lu/ | 4 |
| Malta | https://www.gov.mt/ | 4 |
| Netherlands | https://www.government.nl/ | 3 |
| Poland | https://www.senat.gov.pl/ | 4 |
| Portugal | https://www.portugal.gov.pt/ | 6 |
| Romania | http://gov.ro/en | 7 |
| Slovakia | http://www.vlada.gov.sk/ | 2 |
| Slovenia | http://www.vlada.si/en/ | 4 |
| Spain | http://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/ | 3 |
| Sweden | https://www.government.se/ | 8 |
| United Kingdom | https://www.gov.uk/ | 3 |
Yiannis
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#400 2018-06-13 05:42:46
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
The law on cookies as explained by the EU and an article re privacy shield MEPs call on European Commission to suspend Privacy Shield framework.
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#401 2018-06-13 13:24:17
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
michaelkpate wrote #312507:
Unfortunately, that doesn’t actually comply with the law.
I can’t wait for the EU to fine a company for sending cookies to someone like Peter Bright. Peter is a naturalized US citizen, which required him to renounce his UK citizenship to get, but he mentioned once that it wasn’t actually recognized by the UK so he is still covered by GDPR.
Very strange. I hope you are joking… because they would have to be very informational invasive to find such things out for the typical Internet person browsing web pages.
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#402 2018-06-13 20:36:16
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
I appear to have been wrong according to GDPR – The Data Subject , Citizen or Resident?
1. A Data Subject under GDPR is anyone within the borders of the EU at the time of processing of their personal data. However, they can also be anyone and anywhere in the context of EU established Data Controllers an Data Processors.
2. If the Data Subject, moves out of the EU border and say becomes an expat, or goes on holiday then their personal data processed under these circumstances is not covered by the GDPR and they are no longer a Data Subject in the context of the GDPR, unless their data is still processed by an organisation “established” in the EU.
So when I was in Florence, Italy in 2010 and used an Internet Cafe I was covered. But the protection only covers people inside the EU – it doesn’t depend on citizenship.
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#403 2018-06-20 04:56:29
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
Handbook on European Data protection Law. www.dataprotection.gov.cy/dataprotection/dataprotection.nsf/all/9FB798D267FC3ED8C22581FB00280F1B/$file/Handbook_data_protection_02ENG.pdf
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#404 2018-06-28 23:26:26
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
“Pretty much everyone is breaking the law right now,” said Denmark-based media analyst Thomas Baekdal. “There is not a single consent dialogue box anywhere that is easy to understand. We [publishers] have not really realized how much this is going to hit us. Everyone is trying to make things work the way they used to, rather than thinking about privacy. The European Union is very aggressive about privacy. This won’t stop just because we have a found a way for people to ignore it. This is coming,” added Baekdal. “They’ll likely attack Google and Facebook first. That’s how it will start, but through that, we will realize that as publishers, we’re just as bad.” – ‘Everyone is breaking the law right now’: GDPR compliance efforts are falling short
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#405 2018-06-29 02:15:29
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
Manipulative Social Media Practices a longish analysis of practices and dark patterns at Gaggle, Face** and MS Windows 10. Courtesy of the Norwegian Consumer Council.
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