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#31 2015-10-23 14:08:48

etc
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Re: Improved Text Editor Capability

philwareham wrote #296123:

Not sure if it has any value for us, but it’s a nice thing.

Yes, if we value live previews. But all js versions I have tested seem behind php-textile: no "$":http://fast.links, for example.

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#32 2015-10-25 11:36:35

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Re: Improved Text Editor Capability

tye wrote #296063:

IMO – the lack of a decent core WYSIWYG editor in txp, regardless of code output, is one of the reasons that other CMS systems are ahead of txp in popularity.

That doesn’t mean it’s good reason to add one.

There is tremendous effort, and reasonably noticable progress, in the UX and content communities, and even among some advocating devs/agencies, to educate the sheeple away from the harms of whizzy-wig technology. And a lot of this is happening — besides advocating in the field — by way of new technological directions, such as decoupled/headless systems, modern APIs that allow easy mashups between applications, and who knows what else around the corner.

Thurthermore, such advocates are pointing at systems like WordPress as doing it wrong anymore. It’s just a matter of time before WP either changes its tech direction too or begins it’s inevitable slide from the top as a new generation of web publishing systems take over.

I think this community would do itself a benefit by not comparing itself with WP all time and focus on being more future-relevant.

My vote:

  1. leave heavy wysiwyg tech to plugins
  2. include a light formatting bar for markup filters (textile and markdown) that can be turned on or off
  3. add visual behavior to main editor (and leave ‘preview’ to a different button, as is, or get rid of it)
  4. focus on editor size, display, and writing comfort
philwareham wrote #296123:

Not sure if it has any value for us, but it’s a nice thing.

Regarding split screen, I raised that idea a few years ago in the G+ area as a potential txpmag topic to explore, and it got the vehement ire of MrDale, who made it clear he did’nt like it.

While I was on the fence at the time about split screens (a la Ghost), which seem very much a ‘desktop-only’ concept, I don’t think the app trend has shown to be moving that way, rather the trend has been more ‘swipe-in/out’ oriented, like how the new iA Writer implemented it. I’m not saying to do it that way, but I am voting down the split screen idea.

In fact, in all the years of using Txp, I’ve never used the textile and html preview buttons, and clients have told me they never do either, rather they use the “view” link. Seems to me we could merge the default and filter render views into a single view (#3 above), and get rid of the two preview views that exist relying only on the default editor and the frontend view.

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#33 2015-10-25 12:33:11

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Re: Improved Text Editor Capability

Destry wrote #296185:

I think this community would do itself a benefit by not comparing itself with WP all time and focus on being more future-relevant.

My vote:

  1. leave heavy wysiwyg tech to plugins
  2. include a light formatting bar for markup filters (textile and markdown) that can be turned on or off
  3. add visual behavior to main editor (and leave ‘preview’ to a different button, as is, or get rid of it)
  4. focus on editor size, display, and writing comfort

1+

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#34 2015-10-25 13:20:25

etc
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Re: Improved Text Editor Capability

Destry wrote #296185:

  1. leave heavy wysiwyg tech to plugins
  2. add visual behavior to main editor (and leave ‘preview’ to a different button, as is, or get rid of it)

Good ideas, unfortunately contradictory.

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#35 2015-10-25 13:48:18

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Re: Improved Text Editor Capability

Destry wrote #296185:

I think this community would do itself a benefit by not comparing itself with WP all time and focus on being more future-relevant.

For the last 10 years, we’ve been told that WordPress is hands off, no speaking ill of the Automattic.

Textpattern, at the most, may have 50,000 installs, and that’s being optimistic. The vast majority of installs are web designers using Textpattern for a client site, the end-user base is quite small in comparison. I would peg the end-user ranks at about 15 to 20,000, very optimistic.

WordPress has over 50 million installs, that’s 3 more zeros before the decimal point for all you math majors. So for every Textpattern install there’s 1,000 WordPress installs.

I don’t want to deviate this thread, but it’s time to take the gloves off.

WordPress sucks, and it sucks so much that the WordPress Foundation bought up WordPress.sucks in June as soon as it became available.

Should we plunk down $249 of our donated funds and register Textpattern.sucks, just in case?

Sorry Destry, but the hands-off approach has done nothing for the Textpattern project.

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#36 2015-10-25 15:07:23

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Re: Improved Text Editor Capability

hcgtv wrote #296190:

WordPress has over 50 million installs, that’s 3 more zeros before the decimal point for all you math majors. So for every Textpattern install there’s 1,000 WordPress installs.

What would be the advantage if Textpattern would be installed 50 million times?

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#37 2015-10-25 15:44:41

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Re: Improved Text Editor Capability

GugUser wrote #296191:

What would be the advantage if Textpattern would be installed 50 million times?

Reply over at 50 Million Textpattern Users, deviations of threads are being avoided.

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#38 2015-10-25 16:18:15

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Re: Improved Text Editor Capability

etc wrote #296189:

1 and 3… Good ideas, unfortunately contradictory.

I’m testing a new plugin by Spiffin right now, spf_writer (a scaled down version of spf_codemirror), and it does exactly #3 (instantaneously, no lag), and it’s not a heavy wysiwyg. I’m no dev, but I’d say it probably can be done.

Bert,

I have no clue what point you’re trying to make, or even which side of the discussion you’re speaking from. It’s like one long riddle.

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#39 2015-10-25 16:32:40

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Re: Improved Text Editor Capability

Destry wrote #296194:

Bert,

I have no clue what point you’re trying to make, or even which side of the discussion you’re speaking from. It’s like one long riddle.

Reply over at 50 Million Textpattern Users, deviations of threads are being avoided.

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#40 2015-10-25 18:56:38

etc
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Re: Improved Text Editor Capability

Destry wrote #296194:

I’m testing a new plugin by Spiffin right now, spf_writer (a scaled down version of spf_codemirror), and it does exactly #3 (instantaneously, no lag), and it’s not a heavy wysiwyg. I’m no dev, but I’d say it probably can be done.

I would be glad to test it and be proven mistaken, but apprehend the conclusion. Even if it is fast, chances are it is heavy. Javascript is just not made to mark up a plain text, or I will learn something new (so win-win for me).

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