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#37 2011-12-02 11:48:18

merz1
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Re: [mention] 2011 WaterAndStone CMS Market Share Report Results

[OT] .. an email transmission seminar .. A what?

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#38 2011-12-02 12:02:26

Gocom
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Re: [mention] 2011 WaterAndStone CMS Market Share Report Results

merz1 wrote:

[OT] .. an email transmission seminar .. A what?

Seminar about gear delivered electromechanical mailing systems. No bs ;-)

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#39 2011-12-02 12:28:46

philwareham
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Re: [mention] 2011 WaterAndStone CMS Market Share Report Results

Different services available for bulk email sending and the benefits/limitations of each. Exciting stuff. I do get free lunch though!

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#40 2011-12-02 12:31:45

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Re: [mention] 2011 WaterAndStone CMS Market Share Report Results

philwareham wrote:

I do get free lunch though!

[OT] My dad always said there’s no such thing. Check the small print: you’re probably on some e-mail bulk distribution list for attending :-P


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#41 2011-12-02 14:36:52

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Re: [mention] 2011 WaterAndStone CMS Market Share Report Results

Regarding .com’s nav, can we also drop the verbiage too. “Learn from the Docs”? “Check the Weblog”? Seriously?

Simple, clear, single words that the world knows… like the wiki’s nav demonstrates.

The rest is just in the way.

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#42 2011-12-02 15:12:38

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Re: [mention] 2011 WaterAndStone CMS Market Share Report Results

The extra lipsum descriptions are in the nav likely to make it look more balanced, while still keeping it clean as empty canvas. Otherwise the nav would look very plain and unbalanced in the current form. In my opinion it would need some redesigning if the words were dropped.

Worst things in whole .com layout are the ads (can’t be helped I assume) and some mixed colors (slightly different colored body texts, one #333 and some other shade), mixed fonts, off-balanced cramped “size and more info” under the download button, and all the italic text. Italic serif fonts are not exactly the easiest to read. At the testimonials size rendering starts to become pretty jittery.

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#43 2011-12-02 15:32:06

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Re: [mention] 2011 WaterAndStone CMS Market Share Report Results

Gocom wrote:

Worst things in whole .com layout are the ads (can’t be helped I assume) and some mixed colors (slightly different colored body texts, one #333 and some other shade), mixed fonts, off-balanced cramped “size and more info” under the download button, and all the italic text. Italic serif fonts are not exactly the easiest to read. At the testimonials size rendering starts to become pretty jittery.

I’ll look into all this (probably Sunday) and fix any balancing issues and inconsistencies I find in the CSS. I can’t change the nav wording though since I don’t have any access to the CMS.

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#44 2011-12-02 16:01:04

Destry
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Re: [mention] 2011 WaterAndStone CMS Market Share Report Results

Philewareham wrote:

I can’t change the nav wording though since I don’t have any access to the CMS.

I’m just throwing spaghetti on the wall to see what sticks. It’s not done until al dente!

Gocom wrote:

The extra lipsum descriptions are in the nav likely to make it look more balanced, while still keeping it clean as empty canvas. Otherwise the nav would look very plain and unbalanced in the current form.

Unbalanced against what?

  • FEATURES
  • DOCS
  • FORUM
  • BLOG
  • ABOUT

To my eye, once you take out the noise words, it’s laterally balanced with the logotype. And they wouldn’t be insulting my intelligence. It’s like ‘Hi, this is a Kleenex. You use it to blow your nose. And this is a cup…you put coffee in it.” Etc.

You do not use meaningless text in IA for aesthetics (e.g., balance). Ever! You can make text beautiful (e.g., typography), but that’s not the same thing.

In my opinion it would need some redesigning if the words were dropped.

Yes, it does need some redesign. Not a major overhaul, but some gradual tweaks. Design should be changed in parallel with content, as needed…subtly, transparently. Major redesigns every 5 years to pull the site out of the weeds is the wrong way to do it.

Worst things in whole .com layout are the ads (can’t be helped I assume)

Ads can be nice (and rewarding) if done right. This is another example of a content type not taken into account before the design. Nobody’s fault. Just sayin’ … and another example of the design needing some shifting in relation to content changes.

Some mixed colors (slightly different colored body texts, one #333 and some other shade), mixed fonts, off-balanced cramped “size and more info” under the download button, and all the italic text. Italic serif fonts are not exactly the easiest to read. At the testimonials size rendering starts to become pretty jittery.

Agree with all that.

Also, all the instances of “Textpattern” in all-caps is a crime on the clarity of Textpattern’s brand name. Every instance of “TEXTPATTERN” should be changed to “Textpattern” (including logotype, which should go back to small-caps at the very least). I’ll spare you the theory here, but will cover later in an article, if miracles haven’t happened first.

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#45 2011-12-02 21:46:56

els
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Re: [mention] 2011 WaterAndStone CMS Market Share Report Results

As Donald Swain would say: “I like your enhancements very much.” :)

philwareham wrote:

Integrating the forums a bit into the textpattern.com site as a ‘latest forum posts’

wet wrote:

Done.

Oops, we need to kill spam topics even faster now ;)

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#46 2011-12-03 07:00:59

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Els wrote:

Oops, we need to kill spam topics even faster now ;)

Unless a rel="nofollow" is added to that list :)


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#47 2011-12-03 07:23:23

Gocom
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colak wrote:

Unless a rel="nofollow" is added to that list :)

I don’t think Els necessarily meant indexing, but visitors’ first impression. Having spam and Viagra ads on the products main landing page is anything but impressive.

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#48 2011-12-03 11:10:29

els
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Re: [mention] 2011 WaterAndStone CMS Market Share Report Results

Gocom wrote:

I don’t think Els necessarily meant indexing, but visitors’ first impression. Having spam and Viagra ads on the products main landing page is anything but impressive.

Yep, that’s what I meant :)

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