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#11 2010-02-18 06:07:59

pauldice
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Registered: 2010-02-11
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Re: Comments system

Oops, forgot number 5 – an option to turn off comment previews. I’m all for less spam obviously but it seems harsh to enforce previews when there are alternatives such as captchas available.

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#12 2010-02-18 06:43:56

maniar
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From: Hamilton, Ontario
Registered: 2010-01-04
Posts: 66
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Re: Comments system

@pauldice

  1. A Plugin Exists
  2. Can you please elaborate ? What specific cool and neat CSS3 trick would you like your fields to do ?
  3. Comments are can be shown as an ordered list. Go to Admin > Advanced Prefs. The rest you can pretty up via CSS
  4. (Thanks for chiming in)
  5. (Thanks) but I am no fan of CAPTCHA especially if it is forced see my next comment.

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#13 2010-02-18 06:55:53

maniar
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From: Hamilton, Ontario
Registered: 2010-01-04
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Re: Comments system

Spam is ofcourse and always an for commentators and not everyone likes the preview button. But I do think there should be a solid anti-spam solution.

I have mem_akismet installed but I haven’t had a chance of seeing it’s potential. Does it perform like Akismet ? Are you happy with it ?

There is another solution I really like from Drupal called Mollom I’ve used it myself on Drupal and Wordpress.
Only when it suspects a spam comment it goes into Captcha mode. The letters are also not too hard to read and there is even an option to listen to the audio captcha – which is actually audible.

Though there are limits to it. (There used to be a demo but I can’t find it !)

Perhaps a port to TXP … would … be … possible ?


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#14 2010-02-18 07:21:34

SuMu
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From: Germany - Wuppertal
Registered: 2008-03-06
Posts: 242
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Re: Comments system

My own comments, I need no email notification of my own comments!


viele Grüße
SuMu

Psychomuell + blogZicke

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#15 2010-02-18 07:31:51

pauldice
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Registered: 2010-02-11
Posts: 6

Re: Comments system

maniar,

Thanks for your response. To answer your comments:

1. I realise there is a plugin for this. My point was that this is a feature that I would like to see in the core. I think it’s about the only commonly used feature (from the user perspective) that TXP commenting lacks.

2. The placeholder attribute allows you to specify the help text that appears in an input field before it has been populated by the user (e.g. ‘Search’ or ‘Your name here’). The autofocus attribute gives default focus to a particular input field. I realise that these effects can be achieved with javascript but I try to keep scriptiing to the bare minimum – especially when, as with rounded corners now, an easier and more elegant CSS solution exists.

3. I saw this option but I don’t think this allows you to actually do anything with the comment number, does it? Say I wanted to use the number for the comment permalink for example. How would I go about that?

4. Don’t mention it.

5. The point here is that there are other anti-spam measures one can at point-of-entry so it seems odd to be forced to use one of them, especially one that is relatively uncommon and has such an impact on user experience.

SuMu,

Obviously you wouldn’t be notified of your own comments. The feature is to let commenters know when other people contribute to the discussion.

Last edited by pauldice (2010-02-19 04:06:45)

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#16 2010-02-18 07:40:25

wet
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From: Lenzing, Austria
Registered: 2005-06-06
Posts: 3,267
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Re: Comments system

pauldice wrote:

The option to notify the commenter via e-mail of further posts. To my mind this is much more
important than being able to ‘Remember Me’.

NB: We would have to cater for different legislations (single vs. double opt-in requirements come to mind). A firm understanding of legislative requirements in some target demographics would have to be established before we could safely put such a feature in core.

Some tag consolidation would also be a good idea as there are so (too?) many of them.

The benefits of consolidation will have to be weighed against the ptoential loss of upgradeability. How do you determine the impacts of tag consolidation?

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#17 2010-02-18 07:59:39

pauldice
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Registered: 2010-02-11
Posts: 6

Re: Comments system

wet,

I think a single opt-in would suffice. Point taken about legislative requirements but I see the feature on so many comment forms that I can’t imagine there being any major obstacles. And it would be optional of course (meaning you would have a choice whether to include the option in your comment form).

Maintaining backward compatibility is definitely an argument against messing with the comment tags and I agree that after proper evaluation it just might not be worth doing. I just chucked it in there as Bloke mentioned it – I found the collection of comment tags a bit confusing on first glance.

maniar,

I forgot to mention in my last post that the advantages of using the email and url input types are largely semantic (apart for mobile devices which I understand do something clever with the virtual keyboard to help you enter that kind of data).

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#18 2010-02-18 08:07:45

wet
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From: Lenzing, Austria
Registered: 2005-06-06
Posts: 3,267
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Re: Comments system

pauldice wrote:

I think a single opt-in would suffice.

I beg to differ. For instance, single opt-in does not suffice in Germany or Austria. Austria’s legislation threatens disobedience of spam regulations with penalties of up to 35,000 EUR for severe cases. A few hundred EUR are a common starter.

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#19 2010-02-18 08:18:40

pauldice
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Registered: 2010-02-11
Posts: 6

Re: Comments system

I’m surprised to hear that. I routinely use this feature and have never had to confirm. To be fair I probably don’t surf that many German or Austrian sites though.

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#20 2010-04-25 15:46:46

jstubbs
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From: Hong Kong
Registered: 2004-12-13
Posts: 2,394
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Re: Comments system

Stef – re the comments forms – would you like me to post the contents of my suggested changes to the forms (comments_display, comments, comment_form) here or will you do that?

The changes I made do not address any changes to the commenting system, they simply improve the markup and layout if comments are allowed.

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