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Re: [mention] Textpattern vs WordPress - a Lack of Momentum
Neko wrote:
Well, IIRC on We <3 TXP there are three sites I made, and every time I launched a client site published with TXP I donated as much as I possibly could via PayPal. They were just a few bucks but I tried my best. I’m sure you did the same every time you had the chance, and by every time you had the chance I mean during you spare time between a forum post here and there about the (so called, so perceived by some) sad state of TXP. ;)
If I was a prolific web developer putting up website after website, a portion of my proceeds would definitely go back to the devs. I did donate monies as soon as I started using Textpattern, a thank you for your efforts, as I do when I use any Open Source software.
To show my appreciation to the devs, I got involved in the community by answering support questions on the forum, I was a moderator for some time, and I tested SVN regularly and pre-releases. Wherever I went, I praised Textpattern, I could use my proficient forum search capabilities to provide you links if you so care to read them.
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Re: [mention] Textpattern vs WordPress - a Lack of Momentum
Mary wrote:
The biggest problem is that the devs are expected to both develop and support, and delegate and oversee.
I agree, that is the biggest problem. If you’re a dev, you’re close to the code, so you’ll take issue when someone blasts your efforts.
Devs should be shielded from the day to day support aspects, forum staff could ask the devs for advice should a question arise that they are having a hard time answering. Devs could post on the devblog, letting people know what they are working on or towards, so they don’t appear to be too distant.
In all my years in IT, the best coders, weren’t the best people persons, nor were they the best testers and you had to fight with them to document anything. This project needs coders, but we also need other specialties, as you so point out.
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Re: [mention] Textpattern vs WordPress - a Lack of Momentum
Mary wrote:
It still has his name on Textpattern because you can’t just remove someone else’s copyright info, and there are still various bits and pieces that are his in it.
At all events, let us please preserve such gems as:
// '­­' is *no* tribute to Kajagoogoo, but an attempt to avoid prematurely terminating HTML commentsAlways brightens my day when I run across it.
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Re: [mention] Textpattern vs WordPress - a Lack of Momentum
Everybody,
to clarify a few misconceptions I perceived:
- If you want to contribute code which has a significant impact on the product (vs. a simple bug fix), send patches to txp-dev@lists.textpattern.com. Some of them are acted upon. If the “usefulness” of your patches reaches the range of “disturbingly overwhelming”, SVN write access will be a logical end result, not a prerequisite for contributions.
- A large fraction of prolific web developers seems to lack the habit of donating “…a portion of […] proceeds […] back to the devs”. See extensive list of donors. We would probably make more money from this donor list if all links were “dofollow”, and/or we accepted payments from PPC advertisers for Google-juice-passing links. We do not, and it seems that we are one of the very last OSS projects to adhere to this outdated ethics.
- There is close to no money to be made from working with the core code, at least if you keep the current “business model” and refrain from doing anything like “Txp Premium”. You will probably make more money if you build a much-requested plugin and release it as ransomware.
- Els has agreed to bear the forum administrator duties, thanks for that, and I have invited another veteran member to become an administrator on whose reply I’m still waiting. The selection of these candidates was purely subjective, and all regulars who weren’t invited are entitled to be thoroughly embarrassed ;-)
- textpattern.com, textpattern.net, textpattern.org are registered and held by Dean. The content on those domains is controlled by the sites’ administrators (Devs, Destry Wion and Nora Brown, Alicson).
- I currently don’t care much about (and OTOH, I don’t think that we would need any permission to extend) the copyright notice in various source files. This might change.
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Re: [mention] Textpattern vs WordPress - a Lack of Momentum
wet wrote:
If you want to contribute code which has a significant impact on the product (vs. a simple bug fix), send patches to txp-dev@lists.textpattern.com. Some of them are acted upon. If the “usefulness” of your patches reaches the range of “disturbingly overwhelming”, SVN write access will be a logical end result, not a prerequisite for contributions.
Somehow it seems that ppl on this topic have forgotten that Open Job Request is not the only way to arrange things. Patching is one of the ways to get help, plus it somewhat makes less work on wet than reading resumes. Even when it’s open source, it doesn’t mean it’s about friendhood and hanging out, it still is work and nothing personal.
You might be wet’s best insterweb friend and a great coder, but that doesn’t mean you automatically become a dev if ya ask permissions.
There is close to no money to be made from working with the core code, at least if you keep the current “business model” and refrain from doing anything like “Txp Premium”. You will probably make more money if you build a much-requested plugin and release it as ransomware.
Or donationware, or as a payed job. But you, wet, are correct, plugins can make several thousands in a year. In theory atleast, even as a donationware / ransomware. And… that is a lot more than the core gets.
You have to remember tho, that all of us don’t have credit cart, atleast currently, that is attachable to PayPal. For example I can accept donations, but I can not donate… because of that. Currently.
Els has agreed to bear the forum administrator duties, thanks for that, and I have invited another veteran member to become an administrator on whose reply I’m still waiting. The selection of these candidates was purely subjective, and all regulars who weren’t invited are entitled to be thoroughly embarrassed ;-)
I didn’t even want to. (Gocom’s little soul inside cries a little).
We would probably make more money from this donor list if all links were “dofollow”, and/or we accepted payments from PPC advertisers for Google-juice-passing links. We do not, and it seems that we are one of the very last OSS projects to adhere to this outdated ethics.
I’m thankful of that, dear wet. Nothing sucks more than a large Viagra on the screen.
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Re: [mention] Textpattern vs WordPress - a Lack of Momentum
Why not to ad google links adv to the forum? For example, show links in a row after first message and before last one in topic? And show this adv to unregistered visitors, because CTR among registered is rather small. I hope this can earn some hundreds dollars a month.
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Re: [mention] Textpattern vs WordPress - a Lack of Momentum
the_ghost wrote:
Why not to ad google links adv to the forum?
Low CTR, even lower eCPM. Trust me, it’s not worth the effort.
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Re: [mention] Textpattern vs WordPress - a Lack of Momentum
wet wrote:
Low CTR, even lower eCPM. Trust me, it’s not worth the effort.
Pity… We remain to hope t-shirts can help :)
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Re: [mention] Textpattern vs WordPress - a Lack of Momentum
wet wrote:
Everybody, to clarify a few misconceptions I perceived:
Robert,
I was writing a response to your post, it was rather long, but I decided not to post it.
The article that started this thread was about a lack of momentum.
Maybe we should all go back and read it again.
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Re: [mention] Textpattern vs WordPress - a Lack of Momentum
As far as I’m concerned, this thread had expired.
With all the great enhancements to Textpattern by the devs we’ve seen recently and the work of plugin devs and others’ contributions to Textbook, tutorials etc. I just don’t see the point of reviving the thread.
If, instead of spending time writing long-winded replies, people would simply donate, we could actually move forward.
After all there seems to be quite a strong interest in Textpattern to evolve.
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Re: [mention] Textpattern vs WordPress - a Lack of Momentum
Maybe we should all go back and read it again.
Though, i had to translate “momentum” to understand the topic :). Formerly i thought it means “time, moment” but now i know – it meadns “movements”. There are enough good “movements” in this forum, i think. But this movements are enclosed from sourse code for some reasones. One of them, i think, is that topic about new feature is not very effective. If it’s some codes, like changing file naming (thanks wet, it was fixed), it’s simple to understand what user want. But for more complicated pathes it’s hard to explain what you want using forum, and hard to understand for developer.
So, when we now the meaning and one of problems, we can offer:
- add more convinient system of supplying bugs, new code and so on. It’s 2009 year, and mailing new code, bugs is a liitle anoying (for me at least).
- Some voting system, duscussing system of new code would be useful (i hope). Somebody posts his vision of new feature. Community can see it’s code, can make some corrections to it, vote again and so on. At the end signed developer looks at new, clean, brilliant code, made by many people, voted by many people and allows it to the textpattern sources.
- I understand, that there are many pitfalls in my offer, maybe (i almost sure it’s so) it’s a little silly/utopian but maybe this step can add momentum?
- Such system, from one side, can lower the barrier when usual people can post their code, from other side security, code’s clean cleanness would be controlled by senior developer.
- Don’t bit for my english )
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Re: [mention] Textpattern vs WordPress - a Lack of Momentum
the_ghost wrote:
- add more convinient system of supplying bugs, new code and so on. It’s 2009 year, and mailing new code, bugs is a liitle anoying (for me at least).
- Such system, from one side, can lower the barrier when usual people can post their code, from other side security, code’s clean cleanness would be controlled by senior developer.
these are already there with the various subforums in the Development forum
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