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[mention] 2011 WaterAndStone CMS Market Share Report Results
For those that haven’t seen it yet, it’s out now.
We’re up on last year, still “at risk”, but making strides in the right direction. TXP Mag will give us much more visibility. Note to self: get skates on with Txp 5.
Thank you to everyone who took part in the survey and shared your views on Textpattern. It means a lot. With this vital voice, the hard work of everyone in the community and the dedication of everyone who continues to push boundaries making beautiful sites with Txp, we can only grow stronger.
Please talk, tweet and discuss this report on social channels. All chatter is good.
Last edited by Bloke (2011-11-29 21:25:54)
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Well done to all involved.
It seems the biggest hurdle Textpattern faces is awareness. It had the lowest download rate out of the top 20, but a high retention and satisfaction rate – which tells me that those that find it tend to like it. With the projects planned for 2012 (including txpmag) I’m sure things will improve on that front.
I also need to crack on with my contributions to the project over the next couple of months too.
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Kudos to everyone who took that survey. The improvement in a couple of categories was no doubt the result of that.
I think their summary is fair…
Given the longevity of this system, the evidence seems to point to a diehard cadre of fans who have tried it, like
it, and aren’t inclined to switch. *The challenge, will be whether Textpattern can break out of this coterie and
into a larger role in this highly competitive market.*
Agree with Phil. Textpattern awareness should be way better than it is after 8 years (what they mean by “longevity of the system”). Awareness is definitely the front to fight on.
At least they spelled Textpattern correctly, which is more than can be said for some people even in our own community.
If you look across all 20 systems in the report, the major achiever is Concrete5, and the big loser is Joomla, two entirely different systems, and entirely different from Textpattern too.
The trends of the other systems are just as important to watch. The climb to the top is easier when those at the top are falling. :)
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Interestingly in p.18: “Exhibit 4 – Live installations, as per BuiltWith which i asume it is using data from builtwith.com, txp is 3rd from last. No wonder as it does not even list textpattern.com as a site built with txp. I guess this is because of our sceptical approach regarding the <meta name="generator" content="textpattern"/> tag.
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colak wrote:
it does not even list textpattern.com as a site built with txp.
Haha, bit of an oversight: I guess we should add a slug line there or something. Although one would assume its impicit, it doesn’t hurt to tell the bots.
I guess this is because of our sceptical approach regarding the
<meta name="generator" content="textpattern"/>tag.
*shrug* is that what BuiltWith uses to determine what CMS is used? Or are there other hints it looks for? I can’t find any obvious “this is how we determine what a site is built with” document on their site.
If that meta tag is important to them, perhaps that’s a good argument for including it by default? Although authors are of course free to take it out, the brand loyalty displayed by Txp users in that report might mean it stays in a lot of the time or people copy it to their templates. As long as it’s used as you have it above and doesn’t reveal the version number, I think we’re ok.
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Bloke wrote:
If that meta tag is important to them, perhaps that’s a good argument for including it by default? Although authors are of course free to take it out, the brand loyalty displayed by Txp users in that report might mean it stays in a lot of the time or people copy it to their templates. As long as it’s used as you have it above and doesn’t reveal the version number, I think we’re ok.
I’ve just added it to the new TXP default theme
Next time I do a code drop to Robert this will be included. Are you happy with “textpattern” or should it be “textpattern cms”? Maybe I should capitalise the name too?
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philwareham wrote:
I’ve just added it to the new TXP default theme
Superb, thanks.
Are you happy with “textpattern” or should it be “textpattern cms”? Maybe I should capitalise the name too?
I doubt capitalisation actually matters to bots, but we’re going through the motions of making the brand consistent so a capital ‘T’ would probably help. I don’t have strong feelings about the ‘CMS’ part. Gut feeling is that it should probably be there to distinguish “the CMS product wot made this site possible” from “the rest of the Txp universe”. Maybe Destry has an opinion on this?
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I guess adding the CMS part makes it more obvious what Textpattern actually is. I going to change it unless I hear strongly otherwise.
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Please keep in mind that Textpattern renders a generator meta element in all feeds. Any decent tool should be able to sniff out a Textpattern site.
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wet wrote:
Any decent tool should be able to sniff out a Textpattern site.
And yet BuiltWith doesn’t!
It detects that A list apart uses EE and Smashing Magazine uses WP despite neither site employing meta generator tags so it must use some other sniffing technology to garner this info.
That leaves us with drawing the following conclusions:
- BuiltWith is not a decent tool (!)
- We’re not on their radar and need to tell them how to sniff out a Txp site
- We need to drop hints in the markup to wake the radar operator up
How best to proceed?
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Bloke wrote:
is that what BuiltWith uses to determine what CMS is used? Or are there other hints it looks for? I can’t find any obvious …
I’m not sure what they use but I just checked my sites and none of them are listed as txp powered. In one of them I added the meta tag and I’ll have to wait for a month before they revisit it to see if anything changed. The current report I saved as pdf for comparison.
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Bloke wrote:
- We’re not on their radar and need to tell them how to sniff out a Txp site
Trying to fix this. You can do, too ;)
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OK, how else could people easily raise awareness of Textpattern? Looking through the report a lot of respondents had not heard of Textpattern at all. This is backed up by the average monthly download count being the lowest in the top 20.
Although you should take heart that people that do know of Textpattern rate it highly.
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philwareham wrote:
how else could people easily raise awareness of Textpattern?
Use it, talk about it, write about it, meet up, make noise on social channels, stick a badge on their Txp sites, wear the T-shirt / eat Txp spaghetti shapes, attend trade shows / conferences / webinars and sneak it into the conversation; generally sing its praises.
Most of that’s happening s-l-o-w-l-y and I’m sure there are more things I can’t think of right now.
Looking through the report a lot of respondents had not heard of Textpattern at all.
Yes that is where we need to improve. A lot. In comparison I’d never heard of e107 until the report came out. It sounds like a food additive or some kind of face cream, but appears to have been around in some form or other since 2001, predating Txp. Learn something new every day.
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This forum board is very active but how would anyone know? There should be social network actions built right in especially LSYT and when someone comes up with an excellent solution. We should be able to one click G+ posts, tweet them, etc. Steph has to go to the facebook group and post about this forum manually. I have to cut and paste LSYT into Linkedin, facebook… it just isn’t friendly to social media. I come across posts that I think are fantastic I would love to give instant feedback to the author without having to comment, I would like to instantly share it in a tweet.
We give no external hints to anyone about how popular a plugin is except by download count/forum activity and these are obtuse metrics. Same goes for threads, a thread may have 31 pages of info but inside that thread there are 5 really relevant posts that would blow anyone’s mind, but there is no way to tell except to read the whole thread.
Can we even pull up suitable statistics internally? Do we know how many installs happen through softlicious/fantastico? If we can’t produce this type of info then it would be very hard to expect any outside world to do it.
We also give no way for lurkers to passively contribute.
As you can see I have no easy solutions, the core group does GREAT work but we are more like a secret cabal than a public entity.
best regards
Les
Edit: | Ping textpattern.com? No [Yes] | is on by default, can’t we get this giving us some info? I know it has been brought up before, but I am unaware of the end of the discussion.
Edit #2: LSYT = Let’s See Yours, Then http://forum.textpattern.com/viewforum.php?id=6
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