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#145 2008-08-20 19:13:32
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#146 2008-08-21 08:08:08
- FireFusion
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Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
When this become the official Textbook can it go on wiki.textpattern.com rather than textpattern.net? I always thought the multiple domain thing made no sense.
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#147 2008-08-21 13:35:50
Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
Tag articles are now updated.
There should be no confusion about Textbook. As I said at least twice before, the one I am working on will become the official txb for a short time or for a long time if the community wants it. Otherwise it will be binned. There will only be one Textbook. Sorry Jakob I should have made this clear when you asked previously, I can’t expect everyone to read every post.
The content on the new textbook is up to date, easy to follow and people prefer it to your existing Textbook. So it is ready to become the official textbook when 4.0.7 is launched. If the community wants to wait for Destry to get his mediawiki version together then so be it. We have seen his mockup of an inner content page and people enthused about the integrated concept. However, that does not mean they enthused about the Textbook part of it, so don’t get carried away just yet, Destry. The new textbook can easily fit in below the Textpattern header and menu – a little bit of style change will be needed but my style was always temporary anyway, I always said it would be styled to fit the txp.com relaunch.
We don’t know what Destry’s home page, contents pages etc will be like, but looking at his mockup, they won’t be much different to the existing Textbook, with the content surrounded on all sides by one thing and another. Of course if Destry can get a better txb up and running by the time of 4.0.7, then I am sure the community will go for that one. But it’s a big if, imho.
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#148 2008-08-21 15:29:23
Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
zero wrote:
The conditional tags are now part of the Tag Syntax page with links from every tag article. You’ll get used to it :-)
Yeah, understand that. Just a usability issue. Conditional tags are functionally different which would make a page that lists all conditionals or a grouping of conditionals very useful. This shouldn’t be difficult with tags/categories/whatever taxonomic device.
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#149 2008-08-21 15:38:40
Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
Perhaps on the tag by function page, there could be an extra grouping of conditional tags (even if they’re already listed in various other places on that page).
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#150 2008-08-21 15:44:38
Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
BTW: the whole conditional thing dichotomy is not for me… It’s just something I found immensely useful when I was learning TXP, and think that others would benefit it.
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#151 2008-08-21 16:19:21
Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
Sounds like a good idea, Ruud.
Destry, all this mine or yours stuff, that’s not me, that’s you! Why are you harping on about things gone by? What on earth makes you think I don’t know the nature of a wiki? (Please don’t answer that one, I do not want another long explanation of the obvious). My (I only use ‘my’ for distinction of existing and my version ) txb is not accepting registrations for obvious reasons. It is not seen by Google for obvious reasons.
Where have I pointed the finger of blame? Except for my defence of my character because of your attempted slur on it, when I said you were responsible for some of the crap on Textbook, I have never blamed anyone. Why keep digging up the negativity that doesn’t really exist, when all the time I am trying to be as nice as I can be to you? (I put those links there for those who can’t see what your problem is).
You say you don’t care a rats tail if it’s MW or Docuwiki, so why not help me with the dw version and stop keeping assuming or suggesting that mw is the way to go? (all your posts except this one are slanted that way) If you really mean what you say about:- seeing Textpattern’s online image improved with a modernized presence to the world (including an integrated theme across key site locations: main, forum, wiki…)
- improving wiki content — as a communal effort now and into the future
- doing 1 and 2 in the least complicated way
then why don’t you work with me instead of being so insistent that your way is the only way and the best way? Wouldn’t that be the simplest way?
I don’t know what you understand by a ‘thing of principle’ , but if your principles include constantly looking for the negative, I don’t really care to know the rest of them.
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#152 2008-08-21 16:46:09
- uli
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Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
Zero and Destry, may I offer a course on “how to count up to ten slowly”, my newly maintained extinguisher and some delicious pots of herbal tea to you gentlemen? In order to avoid another drama, stay on your respective watersides and respect the territory on the other bank. You’d better don’t even mention each other. Thank you! :)
In bad weather I never leave home without wet_plugout, smd_where_used and adi_form_links
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#153 2008-08-21 16:51:24
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#154 2008-08-21 16:53:22
Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
zero wrote:
You say you don’t care a rats tail if it’s MW or Docuwiki, so why not help me with the dw version and stop keeping assuming or suggesting that mw is the way to go?
But you appear to assume that DW is the way to go, so why can’t Destry have his own assumptions as well, given that they are the existing “status quo.” You are obviously passionate about your version and have put a lot of work into it, so you should not be surprised that Destry is just as passionate about his, and has worked on it a long time.
What bothers me most about this is that the whole conflict has been passed off to some kind of vague future “vote” or collective community decision, and I just don’t see that happening. There’s no mechanism for it. Never has been.
What remains is conflict.
TextPattern user since 04/04/04
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#155 2008-08-21 18:42:18
Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
I haven’t started any conflict. You will see if you read all my posts that I am in a constant position of defending myself. You yourself are just one of the many people who are quick to point out my flaws but seem to overlook those of the person you feel I have affronted in some way. I respect the rights of others to have their views. I expect others to also respect that I have just as much right to state my opinion as they have. Of course there will be differences and I try to be rational and fair about it. I don’t always succeed when I am the focus of negative comments but I keep drinking the herbal and counting to ten.
Let’s take one example that you know about, Reid, but which you chose to blame me. In this comment, Jukka is starts to get abusive and inflammatory. For the sake of peace I ignore it. Then on the next page here he starts talking about wii (funny), then clearly has not read the comment he is referring to properly, blames me for posting too many topics, then says something I still don’t really understand (after the you say, I say bit), then denies that Destry did not do anything I said about him (because he did not read my links no doubt and probably doesn’t know about Destry’s major involvement with the original Textbook design but why defend him?), then doesn’t see what I said about Destry is facts that prove my point (again because he hasn’t read my links), then does not accept my hope for cooperation and competition nor my reason for starting the Dokuwiki txb, then accuses me of blaming Destry when I just defend myself, calls me a f*** a** and then says thanks as if that makes it all OK. He obviously hadn’t read my comments properly, seemed like he might be drunk and I wondered if he was trying to wind me up. So I say my piece and what happens? I’m the one who gets who gets blamed for off-topic insults!
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#156 2008-08-22 01:13:32
Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
zero/destry:
Seriously guys. Knock it off, everyone’s sick of it. Find a way to work together or at least get a room. It’s beginning to remind me of a teen drama from the 80s.
In the meantime here’s something random to make you smile ;)
Last edited by mrdale (2008-08-22 01:23:33)
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