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#11 2008-02-19 14:22:52

rsilletti
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Re: [wiki] Textbook redesign 2

I’ve been considering putting the data for the reference in a JSON file, that way the interface can be done in jQuery allowing for markup to be seperated from the data file making updates to the source data easier. Use of the file could be implemented in any fashion an author wishes whether it be a TXP plugin or page or otherwise.

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#12 2008-02-19 15:47:00

hakjoon
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Re: [wiki] Textbook redesign 2

Everything that has been said here can easily be done with MediaWiki, somehow no one has done it.

I’m glad to turn over the keys to Textbook to anyone with interest in it. I only ended up with it because everyone else who was involved dissapeared. Send me an email and the keys are yours.


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#13 2008-02-19 16:47:54

marios
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Re: [wiki] Textbook redesign 2

I frequently visit th e tag reference, and tag listings for syntax check. ( Just did it yesterday, because I thought for some reason, that the linklist tak has an offset attribute, which it has not )

I find it is important, to guarantie some kind of (multilingual) permlink structure for these resources (without relying on cookies and such), that does not change.

Mediawiki allthough very robust, scares many Users off, due to this awkward bracket syntax. And the layout might be difficult to customize.
( Why didn’t they use HTML in the first place ? )

On the other hand TXP might not be the best Tool for such a large amount of Users.


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#14 2008-02-19 17:05:29

hakjoon
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Re: [wiki] Textbook redesign 2

Alright I have a fresh new 4.0.6 install up on Textbook is someone wants to take a stab at recreating Textbook using Textpattern. If it works awesome. I think it’s not the right tool for the job, but I would love to be proven wrong.

This would require at the very least MLP and some sort of versioning. Preferably automatic, I’m sure md_versions could be modified to hook into the save event. It might just be a matter of modifying what event it’s attached to.

Who wants to give it a shot?


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#15 2008-02-19 17:36:27

marios
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Re: [wiki] Textbook redesign 2

MLP is not yet compatible with v 4.0.6, and I think that hakjoon is right, that may be for this particular Case, TXP isn’t right. What about scalability and support ? Can these be guaranteed ?
From what I’ve been reading, Mediawiki has good support.

regards, marios


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#16 2008-02-19 17:46:29

zero
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Re: [wiki] Textbook redesign 2

What are you referring to re scalability and support, marios? The number of editors? Are there limits on what txp can handle?


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#17 2008-02-19 18:01:16

hakjoon
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Re: [wiki] Textbook redesign 2

Oh and let me repeat this. “I HATE MEDIAWIKI”. We are not staying with MediaWiki unless someone else wants to manage it.

DokuWiki was seen as at least slightly less of a Pain and it can use textile which is a plus. I would prefer to pursue adding the needed functionality to TXP vs having to leanr the ins and outs of another package that I don’t use for anything else.

I see versioning and multi language support as the bigger gotchas but it could also be a workflow issue. The whole process of creating new pages and interliking them is much more cumbersome in TXP IMO.

I really feel that the main problem with Textbook is content so whatever gets more people writing the better.


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#18 2008-02-19 18:35:05

marios
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Re: [wiki] Textbook redesign 2

zero wrote:

What are you referring to re scalability and support, marios? The number of editors? Are there limits on what txp can handle?

I was thinking about what Patrick just mentioned. That it is hard, timeconsuming und cumbersome, to do it at this stage, to get the multilingual IA structure right at this point. ( There is currently only one Developer on MLP ) Anyway, just my opinion.

( what I’d wish for the future, would be I tight Integration between MLP and TXP, but that didn’t happen yet )

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#19 2008-02-19 18:49:42

zero
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Re: [wiki] Textbook redesign 2

MLP is beyond me, like most of the technical stuff is, but I will be happy to put a lot of work into Textbook in a month’s time when I finish the work I’ve been forced to do. Patrick hates Mediawiki, nobody seems to want to take it over, nobody seems so keen to use Docuwiki, so it seems to me that Textpattern is the way to go. If you techies can sort it out between you, I’ll do all the copying and pasting and take charge of the editing etc. I’m sure some of you will keep an eye on me and make sure I keep the standards high ;)


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#20 2008-02-19 19:06:23

hakjoon
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Re: [wiki] Textbook redesign 2

Here a few things that DokuWiki has going for itself.

  1. it can use textile along with other syntax options (markdown)
  2. organizatinal stuff seems better
  3. versioning and diffing
  4. It can convert the interface to the content language (this is something that people wanted at one point)
  5. There is no database
  6. Auto TOC
  7. Content locking for no edit collisions (txp does not have this AFAIK)
  8. Breadcrumbs
  9. syntax is extensible
  10. customizable Auth with experimental punBB one already (no more need for multiple accounts)

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