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#1 2011-12-16 21:23:20

Mats
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[mention] A Tale of Two Competitive CMS’s

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#2 2011-12-16 21:36:34

philwareham
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Re: [mention] A Tale of Two Competitive CMS’s

A fair (but brief) comparison of both systems. Can’t argue with the pros/cons having used both systems myself.

WordPress 3.3 sure does look pretty and that’s something I want to address within Textpattern during 2012.

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#3 2011-12-16 22:05:10

michaelkpate
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Re: [mention] A Tale of Two Competitive CMS’s

“Admin back end looks outdated.”

Well, yes, because it is fundamentally unchanged since 2004. Everything from that era looks a bit dated now. But there is a counter-argument:

While I’m on this subject, my Mom has been having trouble posting to her WordPress blog. I went and looked and of course they had ripped up and changed the UI. I had trouble finding all the new stuff, and I somewhat understand the logic of WordPress. My mom, who is very smart and highly educated, doesn’t have time to learn a new way of doing things. Computers are not even close to the primary thing for her. Could we work hard to simplify stuff instead of complicating? Computer designers would do well to see themselves as servants to the users, instead of the way they view things now, which seems to be the other way around. – Dave Winer

There are some advantages to not changing too often, too.


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#4 2011-12-17 12:18:48

Destry
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Re: [mention] A Tale of Two Competitive CMS’s

Precisely, Michael. The aesthetics are old, but that’s not the same as usability, and Dave Winer’s point is spot on. Too many weekend webmasters always thinking how something looks (essentially aesthetics) trumps actual usability. Few “designers” really think in the users shoes, which is what matters.

But, what’s interesting (or sad) to me here is not the benchmark done, but the misuse of Textpattern’s brand name, which is another recent and public example of people getting it wrong. This shouldn’t be happening after 9 years of existence, and while there will always be lazy minds and writers, a good brand can go a long way to give the right impression, and I think Textpattern’s brand fails to do that. Particularly the logotype and excessive use of all-caps of the brand name in the website. These do not help clarify that Textpattern’s name is not camel-case, and in a market where every other CMSs name is camel-case, Textpattern needs to make extra effort to distinguish itself. Every time an article like this is circulated, it makes the problem worse, entrenching in the minds of readers—many first-time exposed to Textpattern—that it’s the way the brand name is spelled.

From that article’s comments…

Thanks for the heads up on Text Pattern – I had not heard about it until now.

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#5 2011-12-17 14:22:06

michaelkpate
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Re: [mention] A Tale of Two Competitive CMS’s

I keep calling it TextPattern though, its Textpattern. Years of WordPress have corrupted me XD – Rubenerd

The funny thing is that my first forum post (or at least the earliest surviving) contains both “TextPattern” and “Wordpress.”


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#6 2011-12-17 18:20:52

Els
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Re: [mention] A Tale of Two Competitive CMS’s

Destry wrote:

But, what’s interesting (or sad) to me here is not the benchmark done, but the misuse of Textpattern’s brand name

When someone writes an article like this, comparing two CMS’s, you’d expect the author to have more than a minimal knowledge of those CMS’s. If I see a misspelled brand name in such an article, my first thought is not ‘what did we do wrong that people still can’t spell our name right’, but ‘how well did this person actually look at his Txp install and the main site’. The word ‘Textpattern’ is all over the place, dammit; if the author can’t use his eyes, why would I trust his judgement?

@Michael: you’re forgiven, you totally made up for it with your Wordpress ;)


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#7 2011-12-17 18:34:37

uli
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Re: [mention] A Tale of Two Competitive CMS’s

Els wrote:

how well did this person actually look at his Txp install

Install? If I look at the screenie (Prefs > Basic > Site URL: “demo.opensourcecms.com”) it seems a “judge a book by its blurb” review ;)

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#8 2011-12-17 19:17:55

Els
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Re: [mention] A Tale of Two Competitive CMS’s

uli wrote:

(Prefs > Basic > Site URL: “demo.opensourcecms.com”)

Wow, good catch, missed that! What a mockery.


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#9 2011-12-17 19:36:56

joebaich
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Re: [mention] A Tale of Two Competitive CMS’s

Pet peeve TextPattern install Textpattern installation

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#10 2011-12-18 08:41:32

whaleen
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Re: [mention] A Tale of Two Competitive CMS’s

I bet one-click installs for admin themes, front of site themes, and plugins would bring a horde our way of the sort that use Wordpress. I’m glad they stay away. This is a civilized place. We think before we start pushing buttons.

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