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#37 2013-10-07 11:09:00

colak
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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

The MLP topic is indeed one of those. Maybe txp has to start investigating multi language site options as part of the core. The length of that topic is enough proof that there is a genuine interest by many txp users.


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#38 2013-10-07 11:10:54

philwareham
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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

@colak

Please start another topic for that ;)

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#39 2013-10-07 12:49:27

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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

:) consider it a bracketed off topic remark…


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#40 2013-10-07 13:50:47

Gocom
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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

colak wrote:

Hi Jukka, I hope that this method will work. With some topics exceeding 200 pages it will be impossible to use the search function productively and effectively if the particular functionality is removed.

If it doesn’t, it’s bad, but you will have to live with it. Security, and being able to update the forum, is way more important than a feature. The forum version we are currently running isn’t exactly safe. I’m more of so wondering when someone is going to fall a victim of CSRF link, whether we are going to get hacked and if we can get the update done before that happens.

Last edited by Gocom (2013-10-07 13:54:23)

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#41 2013-10-07 21:24:17

els
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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

Gocom wrote:

If it doesn’t, it’s bad, but you will have to live with it.

I understand, and agree. Still, a better search for topics as large as the MLP thread would be nice. A workaround could be to create a subforum for it, because you can search in subforums.

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#42 2013-10-08 09:06:34

philwareham
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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

Sub forums are a plugin, we’ll need to install this I think.

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#43 2013-10-08 10:01:41

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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

philwareham wrote:

Sub forums are a plugin, we’ll need to install this I think.

Modification, a hack. There are no actual plugins in FluxBB. Going by the no-hacks rule, there are no sub-forums in our new forums either. That particular mod would require about 30 line changes in 4 different files.

Last edited by Gocom (2013-10-08 10:08:09)

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#44 2013-10-08 10:09:16

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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

Yuck. OK no subforums. We’ll have to tidy what we’ve got and maybe consolidate a few. Probably a good idea anyway as some of the current subforums are a bit of a dead place (plus some sticky topics need rewriting or discarding altogether).

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#45 2013-10-08 10:34:00

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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

That mod’s sub forums are not technically more than normal forums (categories), which links are presented under an other one. The mod hasn’t seem to alter post count indexes either, so that we don’t have to fix those in the database. The forum will keep working even without the mod.

If anything, the forums work better without our mods, especially the ones that affect our index pages; we can finally see the forums’ last poster and activity right on the index page, and you can finally find new posts you’ve missed (the last visit thing has time limit after all). I never was very fond of that inactivity masking tactic, not that its terribly cool that the index page will have ‘2006’ and ‘never’ on it from now on.

Last edited by Gocom (2013-10-08 10:35:18)

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#46 2013-10-08 10:50:25

philwareham
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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

My test install of the forum database shows some of the international categories with glitches where special characters are supposed to be – I guess that was because FluxBB 1.2 did not use UTF-8 and now 1.5 does?

Either way, maybe we need to think about each of these international forums and decide their true value. Considering the fairly small userbase should we be fragmenting even further by making forums for all these languages? Note that the documentation site is lacking in translations anyway, as are a lot of the pophelp entries.

Maybe just concentrate on the most common languages and retire the others. I don’t want to upset anyone by dumping their language but maybe English, French, Spanish, German, Italian plus a few others that get voted.

For example:

  • Arabic last post Feb 2012, only 5 topics in total since 2006
  • Bulgarian, no topics
  • Catalan, 1 topic in 2008
  • Etc.

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#47 2013-10-08 12:24:17

Gocom
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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

philwareham wrote:

My test install of the forum database shows some of the international categories with glitches where special characters are supposed to be – I guess that was because FluxBB 1.2 did not use UTF-8 and now 1.5 does?

I’m getting the same, and I was about to ask you if you were too. The error seemingly is because of the conversion script, but we use already UTF-8 converted database. Have to check which options make it work properly.

There also seems to be an error in the current database — someone has forgotten to update single column; search_words.word is Latin1 while rest of the database is UTF-8. This collation difference makes any join statements to fail (forum updating will fail too). Before updating you will have to first run:

ALTER TABLE  `search_words` CHANGE  `word`  `word` VARCHAR( 20 ) CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_bin NOT NULL DEFAULT  ''

This should be done to the current forum database (live server) ASAP; that latin 1 is an error. That search index can not possibly be functional.

Last edited by Gocom (2013-10-08 12:26:49)

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#48 2013-10-08 12:27:28

philwareham
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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

OK, I can do that from home later, as I have remote database access from there.

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