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#11 2011-07-21 15:18:57

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Re: [wiki] [RESOLVED] Wiki images...gone? The wiki gone?

As someone who was the wiki upgrader for a while MW is a pain for something that isn’t your main focus. Upgrades come out way too often, they break things, regression notes and just general release docs and fixes are a huge pain to find.

If we want to stay with a wiki (which I think is a good format for documentation) moving to something stable like DokuWiki or whatever would be nice as it wouldn’t get out of date every quarter.


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#12 2011-07-21 16:32:23

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Re: [wiki] [RESOLVED] Wiki images...gone? The wiki gone?

Destry wrote:

my memory was slow in coming back to the images problem, which goes back to 2008 (trace back from here). I now recall it just seemed like a dead end. If we could get that fixed, that would be one step in the right direction.

The images should be complete, I copied the entire /wiki/images dir from the old server.
This will have to wait untill all the sites have been migrated. Then I can look why some images don’t display.

Though I honestly can’t recall about the gallery falling apart.

Seems to be some missing program on the new server. I’ll investigate later.

Another thing I just noticed are the empty gray boxes at the bottom of all the pages now. Maybe it’s a presentational thing only. I could help look into that.

Please do. It wasn’t there on the old server.

Another thing needing done, undoubtedly, is an upgrade on the wiki. It’s several versions behind, I think.

Nope. I’ve upgraded it to the latest version. Extensions updated as well.

I like the wiki, personally.

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#13 2011-07-21 16:48:23

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Re: [wiki] [RESOLVED] Wiki images...gone? The wiki gone?

hakjoon wrote:

As someone who was the wiki upgrader for a while MW is a pain for something that isn’t your main focus.

I whole-heartedly concur about the upgrader role.

As for Dokuwiki, what about the presentation front?

Every DokuWiki site I’ve ever seen/used has been horrible in the usability/design department (DWiki’s website makes me cringe, and their template options aren’t much better.) I don’t know if that’s because owners don’t care, don’t know what they’re doing, or the system is limited, but I wouldn’t advocate a move for something that’s not equally customizable on the presentation side. That goes for text presentation control too (code, pre, whatever). Textile (or not) is irrelevant.

If it’s going to be a “website” kind of environment, it needs to be able to theme like the wiki is now (or anything else under the sun). Otherwise, a document approach (a la Goog docs) is the way to go (skip presentation altogether for the document paradigm and save a lot of headache).

Which reminds me of something…

gaekwad wrote:

but [Goog docs] could be misinterpreted as being a bit ‘low rent’ when viewed alongside a professional, stable CMS like Textpattern.

I don’t really agree on this particular point. In fact, my observation in the professional circles is quite the opposite. We could in fact be pioneering what a lot of other CMS projects might eventually do (content volume a factor, of course).

At any rate, I’ll actually try and upgrade wiki by end of weekend and hope the site doesn’t explode.

Wow, thanks, Ruud! :)

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#14 2011-07-21 17:55:34

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Re: [wiki] [RESOLVED] Wiki images...gone? The wiki gone?

Sorry I didn’t mean to say we should use DokuWiki. I’ve never used it so i have no idea how much of pain it is or isn’t. I just know it has very infrequent releases which is nice for something in textbook’s capacity since maintaining the documentation’s software is not the main focus.

How about something source control powered like the way github’s wiki pages work? Too much friction? Too hard for the non-technical?

In some ways it would be kind of nice to have something with a simple templateable front end that read static textile files in some sort of DVCS. People can fork and send pull requests to update docs, translation efforts can be simply forks of the projects.

That might be too hard for people not comfortable with version control though, and I don’t know of any php tools that do this. hmm could be an interesting TXP plugin.


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#15 2011-07-21 19:15:12

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Re: [wiki] [RESOLVED] Wiki images...gone? The wiki gone?

Destry wrote:

Wasn’t Bert developing a Tag Reference in Txp?

Look at my sig ;)

As for DokuWiki, I like it because it’s very easy to upgrade to a new stable version, akin to Textpattern. Also, it uses flat files, so you can create your content offline in a text editor, then upload it to the server. I’m not advocating a change from MW to DW, just saying why I like to use it.


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#16 2011-07-22 12:47:50

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Re: [wiki] [RESOLVED] Wiki images...gone? The wiki gone?

Upgrading MediaWiki wasn’t that difficult really. I’ve only done it once now, but it wasn’t updated for several years, went from .12 to .17

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#17 2011-07-22 12:58:55

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Re: [wiki] [RESOLVED] Wiki images...gone? The wiki gone?

Destry wrote:

I don’t really agree on this particular point. In fact, my observation in the professional circles is quite the opposite. We could in fact be pioneering what a lot of other CMS projects might eventually do (content volume a factor, of course).

I have an aversion to cloud storage, if I’m honest – it’s a personal thing. I appreciate that the infrastructure for Google Docs is good, but with my paranoia hat on, what’s to say they won’t have a data problem and lose a load of documents, or someone clicks the wrong link and deletes a document after a late night in front of a computer? Google Code hosts the Textpattern code base, and that’s great – but it’s a snip to copy everything down over SVN and have a backup, just in case Bad Stuff happens. It’s far easier to backup a website if you have the keys to it…which you don’t with Google Docs (unless I’m missing something obvious). Yes, granted, it’s more work to maintain and monitor, but having full control is a wonderful thing.

All that said, I am not militant in my opinions and – frankly – I’m platform-agnostic as long as it works OK. My priorities are coupled with the content and the presentation in that order…but if it’s a ballache to edit/contribute then folks might be scared off.

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#18 2011-07-22 14:59:37

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Re: [wiki] [RESOLVED] Wiki images...gone? The wiki gone?

ruud wrote:

Upgrading MediaWiki wasn’t that difficult really.

No, it’s not. But for whatever reason, it always shifts to the bottom of the can.

gaekwad wrote:

I appreciate that the infrastructure for Google Docs is good, but with my paranoia hat on, what’s to say they won’t have a data problem and lose a load of documents, or someone clicks the wrong link and deletes a document after a late night in front of a computer?

Cloud is not without concerns, not doubt. But I’m pretty confident in Google over, say, Dropbox. :/

In any case, I’ve been tooling around a bit with Google Sites, and I think that would actually be a better solution than Goog Docs. I’m not saying this is the direction we’re going, I’m just exploring out of curiosity, because I might ultimately use this site for client documentation. Here’s a screenshot of a site I put together today with the general docs in mind (the left column wasn’t finished and the bottom is cutoff)…

As I was building it, I had the wiki home page in mind, obviously. I liked what was happening there, so I put a mockup together, which would be very easy to do in the current wiki. The concept is still missing a couple of things I have in mind, but it gives you an idea of the direction…

Moved to proper thread.

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#19 2011-07-22 15:08:49

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Re: [wiki] [RESOLVED] Wiki images...gone? The wiki gone?

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#20 2011-07-22 15:21:43

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Re: [wiki] [RESOLVED] Wiki images...gone? The wiki gone?

Destry wrote:

ruud wrote:

Upgrading MediaWiki wasn’t that difficult really.

No, it’s not. But for whatever reason, it always shifts to the bottom of the can.

Everyone I ever did was agiant suck of an entire week. The upgrade scripts used to not run on the old servers we were on. There was always template problems. Glad it got easier.


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