Tipattern - hard mod of the textpattern

keith · 2009-07-04 21:24:16

mrdale wrote:

A “General” forum topic is er… General. It’s hard for me not to see this as a wee bit silly. Consider this… if someone wants to know how to fix some kind of jQuery integration issue with TXP, we don’t tell them to go fly a kite and discuss that somewhere else…

Yes, it’s a “General” forum – so discussing kite flying is about as valid a subject matter for it as Tipattern issues or people recruiting help to write “a better version of Txp…”

Sorry, but this is just not how things are done.

mrdale · 2009-07-04 23:02:23

OK folks. Consider my desire for people to chill a bit, officially stifled.

Here’s something nice to show you I can be properly chastened without losing a good attitude.

hcgtv · 2009-07-05 16:28:12

I feel it’s better to keep everything under one roof, as we suggested, which ultimately led to xPattern. All you keep doing is splintering the community instead of strengthening it with these, this is my sandbox, go play in yours mentality.

I respect Robert’s wishes but I believe it’s the wrong approach.

ruud · 2009-07-05 16:55:58

Did the topic starter submit any patches before forking? No.
Did he post on the forum or the mailing list with suggestions for improvement before forking? No.
To me that doesn’t really sound like someone trying to be part of this community.

Btw. I consider this post by one of the xP contributors to be spam and have reported it as such. It only advertises another fork.

jnope · 2009-07-05 18:25:28

I say a thing because to my great displeasure to the discussion took a direction that I wanted, my project tipattern as I say in my first post and only presentation of a personal effort to adapt an excellent CMS for my personal needs, as I wrote in title of the post is a “hard mod” not a “fork”, originally when I started working on the code I had intent to create a parallel community and to create resources parallel maybe how often I have heard in these pages there are many people who feel they have a monopoly on a project which is declared and maintained open source, but often, the community is forced to face the decisions of these few, and this my opinion, but not only mine, the community is not a herd of sheep that must be conducted by the pastor, has a heart and intelligence of its own, so he responds after reflection in different ways, creating alternative resources, trying to deliver on other channels its voice repeatedly called into silence. My opinion is that only one of many users Txp, in my little I spent a few ‘of my time to express my idea, I have shared and made available to all and I have the conscience to listen to the views of others even if you do not agree with not placing the foot on my positions, the world of open source is based on the principle of sharing, cooperation and confrontation, especially mature and as I have said many times just on the basis of this philosophy that I have posted on relating to this forum tipattern.

I use TXP since the version 4.0.3 and I am very happy! they are conscious of the fact that Txp lacks many features that are now the norm in other similar products …

sorry my bad English …

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Gocom · 2009-07-05 19:30:43

jnope wrote:

sorry my bad English …

Ugh, p., ;, :, . and - might help.

cooperation and confrontation

Commercin own mod doesn’t really fit those lines when we compine it with along:

I had intent to create a parallel community

resources parallel

the community is not a herd of sheep that must be conducted by the pastor

even if you do not agree with not placing the foot on my positions

on relating to this forum tipattern.

Txp lacks many features

Also open source is about commiting changes to the original code base, making it better, not just taking it and the hard work of plugin authors.

ruud · 2009-07-05 20:26:54

Luca, you may of course call it whatever you want, but it looks like a fork to me. Your repository doesn’t contain just the modifications, but a complete set of modified TXP files.

there are many people who feel they have a monopoly on a project which is declared and maintained open source, but often, the community is forced to face the decisions of these few, and this my opinion, but not only mine, the community is not a herd of sheep that must be conducted by the pastor

If we were to play the “should we add feature X?” game and let everyone suggest and vote for which features to add, I suspect TXP would transform from being small and efficient CMS to a large, bloated CMS within a few releases. People generally don’t say “no” to new features, so there have to be project leaders who decide what gets added (yay, people cheering!) and what does not (boo, pastor, dictator… let’s fork!). Yes, I’m exaggerating a bit to get my point across ;)

Txp lacks many features that are now the norm in other similar products

Why should TXP aim to have the same features that other similar products have? Pick the right tool for the job. We probably have some features that other products don’t have. If all CMS strive to have the same feature set, what’s the point of having multiple CMS to choose from?

my project tipattern as I say in my first post and only presentation of a personal effort to adapt an excellent CMS for my personal needs. […] in my little I spent a few ‘of my time to express my idea, I have shared and made available to all

Thanks for clarifying (I don’t see that in your first post in this topic)

PascalL · 2009-07-05 20:38:22

Gentlemen,

We are at 32th post of this thread, and nobody has been censured, so, let’s not talk about power abuse yet. And may I point to the fact that Robert just asked for something that should be, in my opinion, an evidence for everyone. I don’t start talking to my girlfriend about my next girlfriend, and how she’s going to be better than her. It’s a question of politeness. I think the post Ruud refers to is just impolite. I’m can’t be sure wether it was aimed at being provocative, well I prefer to think not, for I have much respect for the author.

There is often a lot of confusion on how things should work in the open source world. The GPL or other open source licenses do not sell off the process of software creation, they juste ensure that the published product’s sources at a given state can be taken away and played with as much as you want. Nothing is said about how the project and the forums and mailing lists should be managed. As a matter of fact, every project manages this differently.

People often claim their right to be heard in a democratic process. But, not so many open source project even pretend to be democratic in any way. And those which do, also have a very strict set of rules on how this should happen (cf Debian project). And we have already seen some perillous transition between autocracy and attempts at democracy, which didn’t always work well (cf Gentoo Linux, sorrry if I offend someone here). Don’t misunderstand, I believe in the usefulness of everyone’s participation, but at one point, someone with enough specialised and global vision has to cut out the cool stuff that’s too much or not in the style. Let’s not forget programming needs a style too, like art.

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hcgtv · 2009-07-06 00:59:37

Luca interprets Open Source one way and PascalL has his view of the GPL.

Let me ask, did Drupal ever frown upon CivicSpace?

TheEric · 2009-07-06 06:03:38

ruud wrote:

Btw. I consider this post by one of the xP contributors to be spam and have reported it as such. It only advertises another fork.

I have a name. I’m active in the TXP community – I expect a measure of respect.

I also work on a fork of Textpattern that addresses concerns and a direction that I wanted to take that was never satisfied by the then-active developers. The Original Post seemed likewise interested, and I responded in kind. Spam would be the unsolicited, unwanted advertisement, my original post which you linked to was not and was topically related.

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Gocom · 2009-07-06 06:22:50

TheEric wrote:

The Original Post seemed likewise interested, and I responded in kind. Spam would be the unsolicited, unwanted advertisement, my original post which you linked to was not and was topically related.

Probably neither of you have interest in each other. You are just trying to recuit more ppl to do the coding stuff. But that’s okay, in a sense ;)

I wouldn’t mark it as a spam. Ads flasher yes, spam not so. Topic related? In the sense of both are mods/forks. TXP related? No. I also see Ruuds point in there.

That is as related as it would post same kind of message to WordPress forums to recuit more ppl to join TXP dev team. So.

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mrdale · 2009-07-06 06:47:10

Renewed calls for everyone to smoke ‘em if you got ‘em and chill a bit?

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