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#61 2008-04-10 17:07:55

ruud
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Re: rvm_css (v1.0)

I believe the idea behind a CMS is that you manage your content through the CMS instead of through alternate methods, so the plugin assumes you edit CSS through TXP. The storage method should not affect how you deal with the CSS. People generally don’t modify CSS in the database without using TXP and although this is easier for static files, I think the same thing applies there.

If you prefer managing CSS files through FTP, it’s probably easier not to use TXP at all for CSS and only use FTP. Nothing wrong with that.

It’s not impossible to do what you want, but I have no plans to implement this.

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#62 2008-04-10 19:55:22

merz1
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Re: rvm_css (v1.0)

Ruud Thanks for the straight answer. Basically I agree :)


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#63 2008-06-09 14:45:59

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Re: rvm_css (v1.0)

I have just installed this and the immediate feeling (no measurements yet) is that the pages load much faster. Great!!

A couple of comments for any newbie who wants to try it: upon installation, the plugin creates a field called “Style directory” in the Admin section under Advanced prefs., and populates it with “css”. In my case I had to change this to /css I was all wrong. Default is right.

Also, I have had to set permissions for this directory as 777, as any other setting did not work.

Once taken care of this, the plugin works as a charm. Thank you Ruud!

Last edited by jordi (2008-06-23 09:54:46)

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#64 2008-07-13 15:31:47

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Re: rvm_css (v1.0)

Hi ruud,

when creating a stylesheets and naming it like, for example, “site.base”, it’s is created on the filesystem as “sitename.css”.
There is no “real problem” with these, because even having “different” names (the one in the db has the dot, the one on the filesystem doesn’t), the plug-in works as expected, loading the file using the correct name.

I know it’s probably easier to change my conventions and avoid using a dot, and instead, start using an hyphen.
But, at the same time, if there is any chance to “fix” this, so the created file has exactly the same name as the one on the database.

I will probably also to use cnk_versioning (although you suggest one should stick to one way for editing things on TXP) and maybe this “little problem with dots on stylesheet names” could break the space-time continuum.

Thanks.


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#65 2008-07-13 15:39:50

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Re: rvm_css (v1.0)

There are many characters that are allowed as a style sheet name in the database, but which are not valid file names or could potentially form a file path instead of just a filename (which isn’t desirable from a security point of view). If I change this (allowing the dot), it could break existing installs that use rvm_css.

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#66 2008-07-13 16:02:47

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Re: rvm_css (v1.0)

Ok, totally understood.
I’ll change the name of stylesheets, if I find any trouble.

Thanks ruud.


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#67 2008-07-16 23:17:45

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Re: rvm_css (v1.0)

ruud

With the various Admin makeovers, I know I’ve read a couple of requests to be able to edit Txp’s admin css from Presentation => CSS. I know hpw_admincss did this, but you lose the advantages of a static css, and it doesn’t work on the plugin page.

So, I’ve been wondering about using rvm_css for the job. Of course the php files could be modded to use rvm_css’s current css directory, but I’ve been thinking about how to do it without any modifications outside of the plugin.

As a semi proof of concept I created and installed a second version of rvm_css using a unique prefix, and altered the preference to say “Textpattern Style Directory”. I set it to /textpattern. Then I created a copy of Textpattern’s css in Presentation => CSS.

As expected it works.

Naturally the problem is how to set it up so only textpattern.css copies to /textpattern and not all the styles when updated.

So now that I’ve reached the limits of my php knowledge and playing, I want to ask 1) is it possible to single out just one style (textpattern.css) for export and 2) if so, are there reasons that this would be a bad use of your plugin?

Thanks

Mike

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#68 2008-07-16 23:41:32

the_ghost
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Re: rvm_css (v1.0)

I think about embedding css style into html – is it possible to some attr, for example, <txp:rvm_css include="1" /> which will produce:

<style type="text/stylesheet">
lala {display: none;}
</style>

In spite of increasing document size we decrease 1 http request. Sometimes on slow channels requests last longer than time is need to download stylesheet.


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#69 2008-07-17 06:37:31

ruud
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Re: rvm_css (v1.0)

Mike, I think it’s easier to just edit your .htaccess file and redirect requests for textpattern/textpattern.css to a different static file (in the same folder as the CSS files used for the public side). That way you could just create a normal style sheet in the CSS tab (called “textpattern”) and use that just for controlling admin side CSS.

Victor, typically pages consist of more elements than just text and css, so if a slow channel (response time, not transfer speed) causes problems, I don’t think this will matter much, because the CSS will be retrieved at the same time that for example images are retrieved. Most browsers make 2 concurrent connections to a server when retrieving multiple items. By embedding the CSS inside the HTML you save one HTTP request, but add 1 MySQL request (and a base64decode).

My plugin is purely aimed at gaining speed by creating static CSS. If you wanted to create a plugin to embed CSS, it wouldn’t have to store the CSS as a static file. This could be a very small and simple plugin that just returns the CSS contents enclosed in a style tag.

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#70 2008-07-17 07:44:24

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Re: rvm_css (v1.0)

ruud, i understand your position. But it’s useles if there is 1 css file. But if there are 3-5 css’ it noticeable, is internet is slow, that css aren’t in time by the total page loading. And, one more possible feature – as far as we insert css in html it becomes possible to embed all css’ by one tag request:
<txp:rvm_css name="css1, default, typo, layout" include="1" />

It can be useful.


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